--- title: 'Perl 6 mailing list summary for the weeks of August 1-19, 2006' extra: footer: - body: |- Yuval Kogman once again contributed summaries for some of the threads. This summary was prepared using [Mail::Summary::Tools](http://search.cpan.org/dist/Mail-Summary-Tools/), now available on CPAN. If you appreciate Perl, consider [contributing to the Perl Foundation](http://donate.perlfoundation.org) to help support the development of Perl. Thank you to everyone who has pointed out mistakes and offered suggestions for improving this series. Comments on this summary can be sent to Ann Barcomb, . title: Acknowlegements - body: |- This summary can be found in the following places: * [use.perl.org](http://use.perl.org/) * [The pugs blog](http://pugs.blogs.com/) * [The perl6-announce mailing list](http://lists.cpan.org/showlist.cgi?name=perl6-announce) title: Distribution header: - body: |- This is the final installment of the older summaries. After this week, I plan to post weekly summaries on Sundays. title: Summary updates see_also: - name: Perl Foundation activities uri: http://blog.perlfoundation.org - name: Perl 6 Development uri: http://dev.perl.org/perl6 - name: Planet Perl Six uri: http://planetsix.perl.org/perl6 lists: - name: perl6-internals threads: - date_from: 1152252330 date_to: 1154913286 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13959-1154648408-1262.39750-15-0@perl.org messages: - 943f857c0608061814u6db9df91wa8ca3a9a4068b9e9@mail.gmail.com - rt-3.6.HEAD-19067-1152252260-1277.39750-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg via RT - email: adwaliu@gmail.com name: Xinhua Liu - email: adwaliu@gmail.com name: xinhua liu rt_ticket: 'perl #39750' subject: '[perl #39750] parrot@13183: tru64 core dump: t/examples/japh_12.pasm' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. In , Jarkko Hietaniemi posted about a core dump. Chip Salzenberg fixed it. - date_from: 1152252351 date_to: 1154671324 hidden: ~ message_id: 44D2E30F.7090602@iki.fi messages: - rt-3.6.HEAD-19063-1152252277-1115.39751-72-0@perl.org - AED8EAE1-AE9F-463F-A88E-9B6947807834@coleda.com - rt-3.5.HEAD-13951-1154647306-7.39751-15-0@perl.org posters: - email: jhi@iki.fi name: Jarkko Hietaniemi - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda subject: '[perl #39751] unbug - parrot@13183: tru64 core dump: t/dynoplibs/myops_4.pir' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. In , Jarkko Hietaniemi posted about a core dump. Will Coleda replied that this is how the test should behave, and wondered if the test should be skipped or the opcode removed. Chip Salzenberg wrote a haiku about the test, and Jarkko poetically requested that the test harness be informed about Parrot's tendency to obey suicide requests. - date_from: 1152252372 date_to: 1154646566 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13959-1154646557-866.39752-14-0@perl.org messages: - rt-3.6.HEAD-19067-1152252348-991.39752-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: bugs-parrot-track@netlabs.develooper.com name: Chip Salzenberg via RT - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Jarkko Hietaniemi rt_ticket: 'perl #39752' subject: '[perl #39752] parrot@13183: tru64 core dump: t/op/lexicals_27.pir' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Jarkko Hietaniemi had another bug to report in ; Chip Salzenberg replied that it had been fixed. - date_from: 1152252379 date_to: 1154646016 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13959-1154646008-694.39753-15-0@perl.org messages: - rt-3.6.HEAD-19063-1152252356-252.39753-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg via RT rt_ticket: 'perl #39753' subject: '[perl #39753] parrot@13183: tru64 core dump: t/pmc/io_1.pir' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Jarkko Hietaniemi was busy reporting another issue in ticket . Chip Salzenberg noted that this ticket could not be resolved without a review of the I/O PDD. - date_from: 1152252409 date_to: 1154644532 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-19067-1152252390-965.39754-72-0@perl.org messages: - rt-3.5.HEAD-13963-1154644510-1067.39754-15-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Jarkko Hietaniemi rt_ticket: 'perl #39754' subject: '[perl #39754] parrot@13183: tru64 core dump: t/pmc/resizablebooleanarray_20.pasm' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Jarkko Hietaniemi's issue in now waits for a rewrite of `ResizeableBooleanArray`. - date_from: 1152252777 date_to: 1154641533 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-19067-1152252754-1291.39756-72-0@perl.org messages: - 20060803212922.GU8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608032345.19942.lt@toetsch.at - 20060803212922.GU8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608032345.19942.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Jarkko Hietaniemi - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39756' subject: '[perl #39756] parrot@13183: tru64 core dump: t/examples/japh_10.pasm' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Jarkko Hietaniemi created another bug report, this time in ticket . This made Chip Salzenberg thing the test harness was ignoring segmentation faults, but Leopold Toetsch explained that it was Test::* TODO. - date_from: 1152403325 date_to: 1155206025 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060709000119.GA17889@osiris.silug.org messages: - 20060711143000.GA23484@osiris.silug.org - rt-3.6.HEAD-25416-1153213766-542.39860-72-0@perl.org - 20060810103415.GC19680@ifa.hawaii.edu - 20060709111647.GH13876@ifa.hawaii.edu - 20060710155007.GA11385@osiris.silug.org posters: - email: steve@silug.org name: Steven Pritchard - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Joshua Hoblitt subject: Building a Fedora package summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Steven Pritchard reported that he had been working on building Fedora Extras packages for Parrot and Pugs and had a few issues on x86\_64. Joshua Hoblitt asked if perhaps this was x86\_64 with multilib support, as the current build system does not support multilib builds. Attached to the same thread was ticket where Joshua Hoblitt requested that Configure.pl should accept `--libdir`. Later he attached a patch. - date_from: 1152497735 date_to: 1154637523 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-28325-1152497708-1903.39776-72-0@perl.org messages: - 20060710191821.GK29926@host.pmichaud.com - 20060803203829.GQ8535@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Kevin Tew - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #39776' subject: '[perl #39776] [BUG] PGE core dump' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Kevin Tew created ticket to report a PGE core dump. Patrick R. Michaud identified a possible syntax error. Chip Salzenberg wanted to know what the appropriate response was, a core dump or an exception. - date_from: 1152514363 date_to: 1154637756 hidden: ~ message_id: 17594.59443.349290.975369@rgrjr.dyndns.org messages: - 20060803202737.GM8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608032242.24764.lt@toetsch.at - 200607171150.35796.lt@toetsch.at - 17596.14516.397291.170281@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 20060718022428.GB20503@tytlal.topaz.cx - rt-3.6.HEAD-25412-1153085858-140.39778-14-0@perl.org - 20060803202737.GM8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608032242.24764.lt@toetsch.at - 200607171150.35796.lt@toetsch.at - 17596.14516.397291.170281@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 20060718022428.GB20503@tytlal.topaz.cx - rt-3.6.HEAD-28329-1152514343-1569.39778-72-0@perl.org - 20060711002034.GA5072@tytlal.topaz.cx - rt-3.6.HEAD-25412-1153085858-140.39778-14-0@perl.org - 20060803202737.GM8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608032242.24764.lt@toetsch.at - 200607171150.35796.lt@toetsch.at - 17596.14516.397291.170281@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 20060718022428.GB20503@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: rogers-perl6@rgrjr.dyndns.org name: Bob Rogers - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: bugs-parrot-track@netlabs.develooper.com name: Matt Diephouse via RT - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse subject: '[perl #39778] Segfault when using a Namespace with an Iterator' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Matt Diephouse created ticket because trying to use an Iterator with a NameSpace makes Parrot segfault. Chip Salzenberg, Bob Rogers, Leopold Toetsch and Matt discussed how to fix it. - date_from: 1152677694 date_to: 1152751168 hidden: 1 message_id: AFCEF217-8E1F-4431-9115-36B17012F4DC@audreyt.org messages: - 20060712215617.E4180@toetsch.at - 44B5818A.4040709@perl.org - 200607121635.43319.chromatic@wgz.org - 44B59639.2020107@perl.org - 44B53097.4000405@perl.org - 20060712203659.B4180@toetsch.at - 44B54B1B.6060404@perl.org - 20060712194329.GA9400@host.pmichaud.com - 44B560D4.5050802@perl.org - AB7FC6CD-6766-4BA7-AC0C-7145335B5CDD@coleda.com - 44B55D9C.5060608@perl.org - 20060712215617.E4180@toetsch.at - 44B5818A.4040709@perl.org - 200607121635.43319.chromatic@wgz.org - 44B59639.2020107@perl.org - 20060712182724.GA1677@host.pmichaud.com - 1d9a3f400607121146q4e320436ue83c1df9fbc2780c@mail.gmail.com - 20060712211544.C4180@toetsch.at - 17589.21209.406887.3955@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 20060712221227.F4180@toetsch.at - 20060712195942.GB9400@host.pmichaud.com - 200607121136.56984.chromatic@wgz.org - 20060712185539.GA15416@host.pmichaud.com - 20060712214843.D4180@toetsch.at - 20060712191507.GE5072@tytlal.topaz.cx - 20060712211832.GI5072@tytlal.topaz.cx - rt-3.6.HEAD-1735-1153771421-1003.39926-72-0@perl.org - 20060725044627.GB16324@host.pmichaud.com - 44D25CF3.6040504@perl.org - 20060803203550.GO8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 1d9a3f400608031347v4779de86icce0c916a24a7763@mail.gmail.com - 20060712174608.A4180@toetsch.at - 44B53097.4000405@perl.org - 20060712203659.B4180@toetsch.at - 44B54B1B.6060404@perl.org - 20060712194329.GA9400@host.pmichaud.com - 44B560D4.5050802@perl.org - AB7FC6CD-6766-4BA7-AC0C-7145335B5CDD@coleda.com - 44B55D9C.5060608@perl.org - 20060712215617.E4180@toetsch.at - 44B5818A.4040709@perl.org - 200607121635.43319.chromatic@wgz.org - 44B59639.2020107@perl.org - 20060712182724.GA1677@host.pmichaud.com - 1d9a3f400607121146q4e320436ue83c1df9fbc2780c@mail.gmail.com - 20060712211544.C4180@toetsch.at - 17589.21209.406887.3955@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 20060712221227.F4180@toetsch.at - 20060712195942.GB9400@host.pmichaud.com - 200607121136.56984.chromatic@wgz.org - 20060712185539.GA15416@host.pmichaud.com - 20060712214843.D4180@toetsch.at - 20060712191507.GE5072@tytlal.topaz.cx - 20060712211832.GI5072@tytlal.topaz.cx - rt-3.6.HEAD-1735-1153771421-1003.39926-72-0@perl.org - 20060725044627.GB16324@host.pmichaud.com - 44D25CF3.6040504@perl.org - 20060803203550.GO8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 1d9a3f400608031347v4779de86icce0c916a24a7763@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: rogers-perl6@rgrjr.dyndns.org name: Bob Rogers - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: Implement .loadlib pragma in IMCC summary: '' - date_from: 1153163540 date_to: 1155175298 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-25410-1153163515-1550.39856-72-0@perl.org messages: - 200607181242.02454.lt@toetsch.at - 44D93816.6000701@perl.org - 20060809030632.GA24444@tytlal.topaz.cx - 44DA854E.4090505@perl.org - 1d9a3f400608091901x662f7f45n6301bafbc1d5f0b7@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: chromatic - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay rt_ticket: 'perl #39856' subject: '[perl #39856] TODO: Produce Single PBC from Multiple PIR Files with -o' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. In ticket , chromatic requested that Parrot be able to produce a single PBC file from a command like `parrot -o all_files.pbc file1.pir file2.pir ...`. Joshua Hoblitt thought it would be a good idea to define how symbol conflicts should be handled. Leopold Toetsch believed that `pbc_merge` can handle this, but Allison Randall explained that it doesn't quite address the request. Chip Salzenberg felt that was a bug, although Allison preferred to call it a feature. Jerry Gay clarified how it worked by citing documentation and including tests. - date_from: 1153519407 date_to: 1154619398 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-25414-1153519387-1625.39905-72-0@perl.org messages: - 20060803153008.GO9604@host.pmichaud.com - D6755460-614A-42D0-9AEF-93BB12C61ED3@coleda.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud rt_ticket: 'perl #39905' subject: '[perl #39905] [TODO] TGE - line number reporting.' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Ticket was created by Will Coleda. Errors in an embedded PIR should be reported against the original .tg file rather than the generated PIR file. Patrick R. Michaud asked how this could be addressed, and Will included documentation. - date_from: 1154022132 date_to: 1154636525 hidden: ~ message_id: 200607281244.47844.chromatic@wgz.org messages: - 20060803181805.GF8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608031205.13695.chromatic@wgz.org - 08CB7E85-F2E8-4A06-9D01-3C8E4355D220@petdance.com - 20060803202151.GL8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200607280941.02927.chromatic@wgz.org - 200607281922.34331.lt@toetsch.at - 20060803181805.GF8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608031205.13695.chromatic@wgz.org - 08CB7E85-F2E8-4A06-9D01-3C8E4355D220@petdance.com - 20060803202151.GL8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200607281922.34331.lt@toetsch.at - 20060803181805.GF8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608031205.13695.chromatic@wgz.org - 08CB7E85-F2E8-4A06-9D01-3C8E4355D220@petdance.com - 20060803202151.GL8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - rt-3.6.HEAD-1735-1154022123-41.39986-72-0@perl.org - 200607280941.02927.chromatic@wgz.org - 200607281922.34331.lt@toetsch.at - 20060803181805.GF8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608031205.13695.chromatic@wgz.org - 08CB7E85-F2E8-4A06-9D01-3C8E4355D220@petdance.com - 20060803202151.GL8535@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: andy@petdance.com name: Andy Lester - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: '[perl #39986] Create Default PackFile for New Interpreter (Parrot C API)' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. chromatic created ticket to report that there is no default PackFile for the situation where he has created a new interpreter with `Parrot_new()` and wants to compile and run code through `Parrot_compile_string()` without having to read and load bytecode from disk. It was reported that this was fixed in r13613, but chromatic had further questions. There was further discussion between chromatic, Leopold Toetsch and Chip Salzenberg. Chip requested some cleaning on namespace pollution, and Andy Lester replied that it is on his list. - date_from: 1154022270 date_to: 1155407849 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608091400.19440.lt@toetsch.at messages: - 17629.64008.276365.734452@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608122037.16405.lt@toetsch.at - 44D245C8.90700@perl.org - 17622.2216.999203.748969@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608081943.31579.lt@toetsch.at - 17625.4320.849626.642527@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 44D92FD6.3010606@perl.org - 17629.64008.276365.734452@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608122037.16405.lt@toetsch.at - 17625.19519.183109.804485@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17618.41563.624657.826316@rgrjr.dyndns.org - rt-3.6.HEAD-1733-1154022262-92.39988-72-0@perl.org - 200607272050.18286.lt@toetsch.at - 17610.50474.659380.713774@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17612.7796.916272.231345@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607302158.36806.lt@toetsch.at - 17614.39492.271662.371682@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607292153.00683.chromatic@wgz.org - 17612.47594.579493.33202@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 44D245C8.90700@perl.org - 17622.2216.999203.748969@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608081943.31579.lt@toetsch.at - 17625.4320.849626.642527@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 44D92FD6.3010606@perl.org - 17629.64008.276365.734452@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608122037.16405.lt@toetsch.at - 17625.19519.183109.804485@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17618.41563.624657.826316@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17610.50474.659380.713774@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17612.7796.916272.231345@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607302158.36806.lt@toetsch.at - 17614.39492.271662.371682@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607292153.00683.chromatic@wgz.org - 17612.47594.579493.33202@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 44D245C8.90700@perl.org - 17622.2216.999203.748969@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608081943.31579.lt@toetsch.at - 17625.4320.849626.642527@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 44D92FD6.3010606@perl.org - 17629.64008.276365.734452@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200608122037.16405.lt@toetsch.at - 17625.19519.183109.804485@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17618.41563.624657.826316@rgrjr.dyndns.org posters: - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: rogers-perl6@rgrjr.dyndns.org name: Bob Rogers - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: 'Continuations and inferior runloops: Analysis and POC' summary: |- Leopold Toetsch presented an analysis of the the inferior runloops problem - embedding foreign language runloops in the parrot runtime. The problems encompass continuation support and garbage collection amongst other things. Bob Rogers replied proposing that foreign data be explicitly tracked. Leo mentioned that this has been previously discussed and dismissed. - date_from: 1154081755 date_to: 1154470564 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-1735-1154081726-1646.39997-72-0@perl.org messages: - 1d9a3f400607281151u2e4a369bg86457b21f745ddb5@mail.gmail.com - 1d9a3f400607281220q34eca59esbf5ec8de9ee9465b@mail.gmail.com - 441079bd0607311208v739f1631j2011f18436491b0@mail.gmail.com - 1d9a3f400608011515l5ced5cccs4595c9641b6b749c@mail.gmail.com - 441079bd0607311208y7d7cdd39h66a59fe1e92c005f@mail.gmail.com - 1d9a3f400608010937j4b1f3e50lf176104fb04a5fd3@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: David Romano - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay rt_ticket: 'perl #39997' subject: '[perl #39997] [PATCH] PGE P5 Test Cleanup' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. David Romano submitted a patch to clean up the regex tests taken from Perl 5. Jerry Gay raised the an issue with the data file being shared with Perl 5, after which David supplied an additional patch, moving todo/skip information to an outside file. Jerry applied. - date_from: 1154098043 date_to: 1154616077 hidden: ~ message_id: 44CA235A.1000109@tewk.com messages: - 20060803144054.GA9604@host.pmichaud.com - 44CC04AB.2050903@perl.org posters: - email: tewk@tewk.com name: Kevin Tew - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal subject: PGE/TGE and the future. summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Kevin Tew wanted information about TGE design goals and plans. Allison Randal replied that the plan is to have a single set of OST node classes used by all languages, a task Vishal Soni is currently at work on. She included a link to the first draft of the compiler tools plan, which Patrick R. Michaud is at work on updating so that it can be converted to a PDD. - date_from: 1154101421 date_to: 1154628054 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-1733-1154101407-799.40002-72-0@perl.org messages: - 20060803144846.GB9604@host.pmichaud.com - 44D230B5.7000307@tewk.com - 44D2343C.2070905@perl.org - 1d9a3f400608031100o51afa64at9a64f3d395fafa61@mail.gmail.com - 20060803173830.GA14055@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Kevin Tew - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay rt_ticket: 'perl #40002' subject: '[perl #40002] TGE Refactor / Compiler Tools Object' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Kevin Tew created ticket to ask a number of questions about the TGE refactor and cited several other tickets. There were some replies in August. Patrick R. Michaud replied with information about the plans for TGE. Allison Randal and Patrick R. Michaud contributed summaries of a conversation they had at OSCON. Jerry Gay also commented. - date_from: 1154277401 date_to: 1155097119 hidden: ~ message_id: 1F4023A7-5A86-4511-8CF2-7A587F8875AF@coleda.com messages: - 17613.3785.841800.124640@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607301309.06448.chromatic@wgz.org - 200607302244.57894.lt@toetsch.at - 19F90E8D-A154-45ED-AC68-9731C8596031@coleda.com - 17614.40118.290069.155130@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 6B9B4C00-B216-4962-B884-74936F032730@coleda.com - 17616.1604.672588.743100@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17619.64067.213426.345193@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 198c87380608042222g1f61b9b5pd9a37f8b1ad977db@mail.gmail.com - 17620.46218.959691.10071@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 198c87380608082118i263ee616k5fb95e97c1547ce@mail.gmail.com - 17612.65365.948653.52470@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 3C292F8A-44BC-42C0-8497-C7D5A0581585@coleda.com - 17613.3785.841800.124640@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607301309.06448.chromatic@wgz.org - 200607302244.57894.lt@toetsch.at - 19F90E8D-A154-45ED-AC68-9731C8596031@coleda.com - 17614.40118.290069.155130@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 6B9B4C00-B216-4962-B884-74936F032730@coleda.com - 17616.1604.672588.743100@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17619.64067.213426.345193@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 198c87380608042222g1f61b9b5pd9a37f8b1ad977db@mail.gmail.com - 17620.46218.959691.10071@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 198c87380608082118i263ee616k5fb95e97c1547ce@mail.gmail.com - 3C292F8A-44BC-42C0-8497-C7D5A0581585@coleda.com - 17613.3785.841800.124640@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 200607301309.06448.chromatic@wgz.org - 200607302244.57894.lt@toetsch.at - 19F90E8D-A154-45ED-AC68-9731C8596031@coleda.com - 17614.40118.290069.155130@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 6B9B4C00-B216-4962-B884-74936F032730@coleda.com - 17616.1604.672588.743100@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 17619.64067.213426.345193@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 198c87380608042222g1f61b9b5pd9a37f8b1ad977db@mail.gmail.com - 17620.46218.959691.10071@rgrjr.dyndns.org - 198c87380608082118i263ee616k5fb95e97c1547ce@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: rogers-perl6@rgrjr.dyndns.org name: Bob Rogers - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: 'resizablepmcarray, assign.' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. Will Coleda included some code which was not working in Tcl. He thought the error originated in the Parrot code base, and asked some questions. Bob Rogers had difficulty replicating the problem; chromatic suggested using a newer Test::Harness because prove is not included in the older version. Leopold Toetsch felt this was in conflict with the Parrot README prerequisites list. Will said that the problem was fixed in r13696. He also reported that Tcl's test suite is being converted from using Perl to being self-hosting in Tcl. Bob reported some additional problems in r13715. Will noted that Tcl was undergoing a lot of changes this week. There was some further discussion with Matt Diephouse on the Tcl changes. - date_from: 1154321948 date_to: 1154445448 hidden: 1 message_id: 198c87380607302158p265015ddl66431a6336adea84@mail.gmail.com messages: - 1d9a3f400607302245p6c06dd06q95d4966f445d33ce@mail.gmail.com - 20060731105308.GA95088@plum.flirble.org - 6f9c15f80607310835g396ecd9cw42da265bcd4c335f@mail.gmail.com - 44CEFFFE.7060003@rblasch.org - 44CF59E7.6000308@zaynar.demon.co.uk - 44CF7066.2000405@rblasch.org posters: - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark - email: bill.coffman@gmail.com name: Bill Coffman - email: mailing-lists@rblasch.org name: Ron Blaschke - email: philip@zaynar.demon.co.uk name: Philip Taylor - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: Inf and NaN summary: '' - date_from: 1154378334 date_to: 1154648469 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-1817-1154378323-1898.40030-72-0@perl.org messages: - 200608011207.43856.lt@toetsch.at - 79a6fb1e0608021052r24b6162cq8c4b4dce6ebd68d2@mail.gmail.com - 200608022054.07209.lt@toetsch.at - 79a6fb1e0608021242j6fa9fb19ja00dcada25954572@mail.gmail.com - dcb629180608030155l22751bffweb4b5c43b7449096@mail.gmail.com - 79a6fb1e0608031640s2211803dv4c40a6a2aadd9761@mail.gmail.com - 200608011207.43856.lt@toetsch.at - 79a6fb1e0608021052r24b6162cq8c4b4dce6ebd68d2@mail.gmail.com - 200608022054.07209.lt@toetsch.at - 79a6fb1e0608021242j6fa9fb19ja00dcada25954572@mail.gmail.com - dcb629180608030155l22751bffweb4b5c43b7449096@mail.gmail.com - 79a6fb1e0608031640s2211803dv4c40a6a2aadd9761@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Fonseka @ Gmail . Com - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: fonseka@gmail.com name: fonseka - email: nick.glencross@gmail.com name: Nick Glencross - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: fonseka @ gmail . com rt_ticket: 'perl #40030' subject: '[perl #40030] [PATCH] compiler/imcc missing dependency' summary: |- This thread was previously completely summarized in July. In , Fonseka reported some missing dependencies which were preventing compilation and provided a patch. In the end it turned out to be a problem with an old Parrot installation. - date_from: 1154393001 date_to: 1154393001 hidden: 1 message_id: 486325D4-3AC9-4637-9D8C-F1D1DE17B5C4@tello.com posters: - email: wcoleda@tello.com name: Will Coleda subject: argument type warning summary: '' - date_from: 1154393058 date_to: 1154393058 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-1823-1154393050-140.40032-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40032' subject: '[perl #40032] [CAGE] no previous prototype' summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket for the Cage Cleaners. The topic was a warning in `src/encodings/utf8.c`. - date_from: 1154393108 date_to: 1154433490 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-1817-1154393100-469.40033-72-0@perl.org messages: - 17615.16833.230617.990434@rgrjr.dyndns.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda - email: rogers-perl6@rgrjr.dyndns.org name: Bob Rogers rt_ticket: 'perl #40033' subject: '[perl #40033] [CAGE] argument type warning' summary: |- In ticket , Will Coleda reported a warning in function `Parrot_Continuation_invoke`. This was fixed in r13722. - date_from: 1154409704 date_to: 1154452790 hidden: ~ message_id: 200607312220.55651.chromatic@wgz.org messages: - 200608011152.51435.lt@toetsch.at - 200608011019.17657.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: '[Proposed PATCH lib/Parrot/Test/Embedded.pm] Use Embedded Interpreter for PIR Tests' summary: |- chromatic posted a patch which adds a new test module. He wanted feedback on it. Leopold Toetsch had two questions about chromatic's methods, which chromatic answered. - date_from: 1154410268 date_to: 1154489956 hidden: ~ message_id: 200607312230.37163.chromatic@wgz.org messages: - 20060801192415.GA28612@ifa.hawaii.edu - 200608011230.28460.chromatic@wgz.org - 20060801194522.GB28612@ifa.hawaii.edu - 454F7E33-8609-4C50-BF1B-823E5422F47E@clotho.com - 20060802033931.GA17374@ifa.hawaii.edu posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: jhoblitt@ifa.hawaii.edu name: Joshua Hoblitt - email: chris@clotho.com name: Chris Dolan - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: Questions summary: |- chromatic posted several questions that he needs answered before he can add Parrot::Embed to the repository. Most of the questions involved where it should be located and how it can be integrated with the rest of the build. Joshua Hoblitt had some suggestions, which led to a discussion between chromatic, Joshua and Chris Dolan. - date_from: 1154443439 date_to: 1154443439 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.6.HEAD-1826-1154443423-1183.40039-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Jerry Gay rt_ticket: 'perl #40039' subject: '[perl #40039] [BUG] r13762: compilers/bcg/ fails to build with msvc -- unresolved external symbol' summary: |- Jerry Gay reported a bug with r13762 in ticket . Parrot was successfully built, but `compilers/bcg/` failed. - date_from: 1154462446 date_to: 1154637739 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060801200029.D97E0CBA7F@x12.develooper.com messages: - 198c87380608011531k6030ee5apadc15c485086bdbc@mail.gmail.com - 44D25FA1.8050905@perl.org posters: - email: allison@cvs.perl.org name: allison - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r13740 - in trunk: . docs/pdds' summary: |- Allison Randal modified the PDD21. The change was to make namespace opcodes accept arrays to enable multidimensional namespaces, and to remove redundant globals and get/set methods. Matt Diephouse asked how the removal of get/set methods would affect namespaces with a sigil or other unusual name. Allison replied that the methods were part of the untyped interface; the typed interface uses `find_namespace` and `add_namespace`. - date_from: 1154467297 date_to: 1154608239 hidden: ~ message_id: 44CFC5C7.40804@tewk.com messages: - 200608031430.22766.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: tewk@tewk.com name: Kevin Tew - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: Initialization and Finalization hooks summary: |- Kevin Tew discussed having BEGIN and END blocks be supported by Parrot. Leopold Toetsch replied that he thought END might be currently supported, and suggested looking at the last few tests in `t/pmc/exception.t` between revisions r13768 and r13770. - date_from: 1154499090 date_to: 1154502382 hidden: ~ message_id: c71658670608012311r19f80ed2gc536e8b6df143cab@mail.gmail.com messages: - 200608020005.56454.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: vishalrsoni@gmail.com name: Vishal Soni - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: Shared Lib fro Dynamic PMC summary: |- Vishal Soni wanted to know the best location to store a shared library for the byte code generator. chromatic thought it belonged in either `blib/lib` or `runtime/parrot/dynext` and wasn't sure which should be used in this case. - date_from: 1154545762 date_to: 1154550573 hidden: ~ message_id: 6A794C92-71F0-419A-ACDC-0E41A2DAE1AF@coleda.com messages: - 200608021255.54531.chromatic@wgz.org - 65A68EE2-CD64-4952-BFB6-A09A80E557F6@coleda.com - 200608021329.15401.chromatic@wgz.org - rt-3.5.HEAD-13962-1154545751-1881.40048-72-0@perl.org - 1d9a3f400608021237o35f6cda9x46d82e41b1f55ebd@mail.gmail.com - 200608021255.54531.chromatic@wgz.org - 65A68EE2-CD64-4952-BFB6-A09A80E557F6@coleda.com - 200608021329.15401.chromatic@wgz.org - 200608021255.54531.chromatic@wgz.org - 65A68EE2-CD64-4952-BFB6-A09A80E557F6@coleda.com - 200608021329.15401.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: "[perl #40048] [CAGE] t/distro/file_metadata.t doesn't like svk" summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket to report that `t/distro/file_metadata.t` fails because every test assumes that you are using svn, but you could be using svk. chromatic submitted a patch. - date_from: 1154577634 date_to: 1154577634 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13962-1154577623-920.40053-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Kevin Tew rt_ticket: 'perl #40053' subject: '[perl #40053] Empty PGE rule causes error. rule x { }' summary: |- In ticket , Kevin Tew requested that an empty PGE rule should give a more informative error message. - date_from: 1154585309 date_to: 1154585309 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060803060820.045F2CBA7F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: allison@cvs.perl.org name: allison subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r13766 - in trunk: . docs/pdds/clip' summary: '' - date_from: 1154594138 date_to: 1154594138 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060803083603.GA12054@ifa.hawaii.edu posters: - email: jhoblitt@ifa.hawaii.edu name: Joshua Hoblitt subject: random thoughts on making parrot compiler faster summary: |- Joshua Hoblitt noted that much of the build time is spent on `tools/build/pmc2c.pl` and `tools/build/c2str.pl`. He suggested limiting this process to maintainers only. - date_from: 1154625309 date_to: 1154638928 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060803171439.GE8535@tytlal.topaz.cx messages: - 44D23DDC.8030003@perl.org - 20060803203326.GN8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 44D2643D.4030600@perl.org posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal subject: 'Parrot news: namespace ops good, (some) namespace methods bad; key-accepting ops' summary: |- Chip Salzenberg notified the list that the namespace opcodes are now preferred over the methods. Allison Randal replied that a similar change needs to be made for lexicals. The naming convention for these routines was discussed. Note: this thread is partly missing from Google's archives and is thus linked to gmane. thread_uri: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.compiler/938/focus=938 - date_from: 1154629521 date_to: 1154636438 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060803182457.GA20606@tytlal.topaz.cx messages: - FB690023-10FA-4EC9-AB8B-A56D1B9DE1B2@petdance.com - 20060803184427.GG8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - 1d9a3f400608031151n787abf63m79a7e1722e2ede88@mail.gmail.com - 4D67ABAB-BF1A-4FA0-9854-7DE85F716083@petdance.com - 20060803185545.GH8535@tytlal.topaz.cx - BCC740EB-E56D-4283-A5D2-B5D30C824DD5@coleda.com - 20060803202003.GK8535@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: andy@petdance.com name: Andy Lester - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: Fix symbol table namespace pollution summary: |- Chip Salzenberg wanted external functions and variables to have names that begin with `Parrot`. The request was added to the Cage Cleaners todo list. There was a brief discussion on storing Parrot tasks in the todo list versus storing them in RT. - date_from: 1154629583 date_to: 1154629583 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060803182558.GA20628@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: Fix non-symbol-table namespace pollution in public headers summary: |- Chip Salzenberg noted that public headers in the `include/parrot` directory should not declare or define any symbol which isn't specific to Parrot. Symbols should be prefixed with `Parrot` or `PARROT`, although the exact syntax is up for debate. The request became ticket . - date_from: 1154630681 date_to: 1154980328 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13963-1154630671-9.40058-72-0@perl.org messages: - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608071051020.25370@sophie.sig.net.nz - 200608061605.28177.chromatic@wgz.org - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608071142050.25370@sophie.sig.net.nz - 200608061709.44145.chromatic@wgz.org - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608080751300.734@sophie.sig.net.nz - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608071051020.25370@sophie.sig.net.nz - 200608061605.28177.chromatic@wgz.org - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608071142050.25370@sophie.sig.net.nz - 200608061709.44145.chromatic@wgz.org - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608080751300.734@sophie.sig.net.nz - 200608061605.28177.chromatic@wgz.org - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608071142050.25370@sophie.sig.net.nz - 200608061709.44145.chromatic@wgz.org - Pine.LNX.4.64.0608080751300.734@sophie.sig.net.nz posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg - email: martin@kurahaupo.gen.nz name: Martin D Kealey - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic rt_ticket: 'perl #40058' subject: '[perl #40058] Disambiguate usage of class PMCs from class name lookup (pdd15, pdd06, pdd19)' summary: |- In ticket , Chip Salzenberg stated that there is ambiguity between class names and class PMCs which should be resolved in a general way for all class-accepting opcodes. Martin D Kealey wanted to know why HLL namespaces should be treated differently from classes. chromatic replied that this was to protect against future additions to 'parrot' breaking code. Pheme was an example of a language that would have problems with the situation Martin described. - date_from: 1154631492 date_to: 1154631492 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13963-1154631482-1060.40059-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40059' subject: '[perl #40059] [CAGE] Fix symbol table namespace pollution' summary: |- Chip Salzenberg created ticket to state that external functions and variables must have names that begin with 'Parrot'. - date_from: 1154631495 date_to: 1154631495 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13959-1154631485-1042.40060-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40060' subject: '[perl #40060] [CAGE] Fix non-symbol-table namespace pollution in public headers' summary: '' - date_from: 1154632016 date_to: 1154632016 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13951-1154632004-987.40061-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40061' subject: '[perl #40061] Parrot release 0.4.7' summary: '' - date_from: 1154637108 date_to: 1154637108 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13957-1154637099-1166.40063-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Allison Randal rt_ticket: 'perl #40063' subject: '[perl #40063] [PDD] document subroutine attributes (pdd19_pir.pod)' summary: |- Ticket requests that subroutine attributes `:main`, `:immediate`, etc, be documented. - date_from: 1154637364 date_to: 1154637364 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13951-1154637357-493.40064-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #40064' subject: '[perl #40064] [TODO] shootout example testing' summary: |- Leopold Toetsch wanted tests added to `examples/shootout/*.pir`. Ticket tracks this. - date_from: 1154640715 date_to: 1155798483 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13959-1154640705-1927.40065-72-0@perl.org messages: - rt-3.5.HEAD-31257-1155798475-1942.40065-14-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg - email: bugs-parrot-track@netlabs.develooper.com name: Chip Salzenberg via RT rt_ticket: 'perl #40065' subject: '[perl #40065] STM first merge tracking ticket' summary: |- Ticket was created by Chip Salzenberg to track the first merge of STM, which should make basic threading work again. Chip later closed this ticket when the merge was done. - date_from: 1154644455 date_to: 1154644455 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13963-1154644424-487.40066-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40066' subject: '[perl #40066] rewrite ResizeableBooleanArray' summary: |- Ticket states that `ResizeableBooleanArray` should be rewritten. `FixedBooleanArray` could use an update as well. - date_from: 1154650354 date_to: 1154650354 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060804001206.GW8535@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: Impending release of Parrot 0.4.6 summary: '' - date_from: 1154677489 date_to: 1154677489 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060804074441.9FE43CBC40@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: allison@cvs.perl.org name: allison subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r13834 - in trunk: . docs/pdds' summary: '' - date_from: 1154677500 date_to: 1154677500 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060804074449.32210CBA7F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: allison@cvs.perl.org name: allison subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r13835 - in trunk: . docs/pdds/clip' summary: '' - date_from: 1154681430 date_to: 1154711688 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13959-1154681419-810.40069-72-0@perl.org messages: - 20060804171438.GE27710@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Ambs @ Cpan . Org - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: ambs @ cpan . org rt_ticket: 'perl #40069' subject: "[perl #40069] [PGE] \"value\" can't be used as a rule name." summary: |- Ticket described how a rule or token named 'value' does not work properly. Patrick R. Michaud knew why the problem was happening, but was not sure how to resolve it. - date_from: 1154707326 date_to: 1154707326 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-13951-1154707315-1008.40072-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40072' subject: '[perl #40072] [CAGE] tools/dev/mk_manifest_and_skip.pl requires svn' summary: |- In ticket , Will Coleda noted that `tools/dev/mk_manifest_and_skip.pl` uses hardcoded references to svn. - date_from: 1154718031 date_to: 1154718031 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060804185956.GA16490@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: svk is generating almost-empty change sets summary: '' - date_from: 1154833855 date_to: 1154833855 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22708-1154833844-38.40087-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40087' subject: '[perl #40087] [BUG] Segfault in key.pmc' summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket to report a segmentation fault in `key.pmc`. - date_from: 1154835489 date_to: 1154835489 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22701-1154835479-841.40090-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40090' subject: "[perl #40090] [TODO] Tcl - make 'tcl.pbc --pir' work." summary: |- In ticket , Will Coleda explained how `make tcl.pbc --pir` should work. - date_from: 1154883823 date_to: 1154915400 hidden: ~ message_id: 9F5337BA-475E-4F00-95D1-016C32ACE38C@coleda.com messages: - 200608062208.16335.lt@toetsch.at - F114F707-B332-477A-800B-C2C953E231F0@coleda.com - 198c87380608061849o8ceb8f8h6aa8e0aad4efedd1@mail.gmail.com - 200608062228.19194.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse subject: a premature optimization summary: |- Will Coleda has been converting Tcl's test suite to Tcl, but one of the larger test files is much slower. Leopold Toetsch and Matt Diephouse offered suggestions on how to improve the code. - date_from: 1154922197 date_to: 1154955565 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22701-1154922187-1065.40102-72-0@perl.org messages: - 200608071459.08949.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #40102' subject: '[perl #40102] [BUG] Using splice with an out-of-range array index gives bad error' summary: |- Matt Diephouse reported in ticket that the error message for using splice with an out-of-range array is unhelpful. Leopold Toetsch fixed it with r13890. - date_from: 1154956529 date_to: 1154956529 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060807131501.7738.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: '' - date_from: 1154982634 date_to: 1154982634 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22701-1154982623-1934.40106-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Kay-Uwe Huell rt_ticket: 'perl #40106' subject: '[perl #40106] [PATCH] 15 more tests work for PGE::P5Regex' summary: |- Kay-Uwe Huell submitted, via ticket , fixes to PGE::P5Regex needed to make 15 more tests work. - date_from: 1155016065 date_to: 1155016065 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608072246.37372.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: Failing t//tools/pbc_merge.t summary: |- chromatic had a test failure. He made a patch to highlight the error, which he included in the post. - date_from: 1155028979 date_to: 1155028979 hidden: ~ message_id: 8e8ee0d40608080222y15616d67k7e770ad2284482a8@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: paultcochrane@gmail.com name: Paul Cochrane subject: Failing parrot test (t/op/stringu.t) summary: |- Paul Cochrane reported a test which has been failing across multiple updates. - date_from: 1155047711 date_to: 1155159184 hidden: ~ message_id: 87ac6fs3d7.fsf@merlot.par.afp.com messages: - 200608081907.08989.lt@toetsch.at - d0bc3d030608081657qb8d2e31s479fd1b664840dc7@mail.gmail.com - 874pwlbnnn.fsf@merlot.par.afp.com - d0bc3d030608080744i495830e8m9e47016823772ed1@mail.gmail.com - 44D8AA7C.5090102@magma.ca - d0bc3d030608080822s4fe6ebc8tfac16ad5543560be@mail.gmail.com - 87psfbfc3h.fsf@merlot.par.afp.com - d0bc3d030608080914v2a4d2cbdh83436f059e5753c2@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: Hugues.Lafarge@afp.com name: Hugues - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: bennymack@gmail.com name: Ben. B. - email: shawnhcorey@magma.ca name: Mr. Shawn H. Corey - email: Hugues.Lafarge@afp.com name: hugues subject: parrot compile error summary: |- Hugues reported a parrot compilation issue. Several others reported similar issues, and Shawn H. Corey tried to help them out. Eventually Leopold Toetsch asked everyone to post some more specific information, but no resolution was reached. - date_from: 1155049739 date_to: 1155049739 hidden: 1 message_id: 0B161234D9EAC142ACCFE7C49AA97BA50140971F@us-rich-m01.global.tektronix.net posters: - email: kay-uwe.hull@exgate.tek.com name: Kay-Uwe Hull - email: kay-uwe.hull@exgate.tek.com name: kay-uwe.hull subject: parrot compile error summary: '' - date_from: 1155053077 date_to: 1155053703 hidden: 1 message_id: 87psfbfc3h.fsf@merlot.par.afp.com messages: - d0bc3d030608080914v2a4d2cbdh83436f059e5753c2@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: Hugues.Lafarge@afp.com name: Hugues - email: bennymack@gmail.com name: Ben. B. - email: Hugues.Lafarge@afp.com name: hugues subject: parrot compile error summary: '' - date_from: 1155059812 date_to: 1155059812 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22710-1155059802-1289.40120-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40120' subject: '[perl #40120] [TODO] parrothist.pod' summary: |- Chip Salzenberg suggested in ticket that a document describing Parrot evolution be written. - date_from: 1155061440 date_to: 1155061440 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22708-1155061433-787.40121-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40121' subject: '[perl #40121] [TODO] Tcl - implement [lreplace]' summary: |- In ticket , Will Coleda requested the implementation of `lreplace`. - date_from: 1155062816 date_to: 1155062816 hidden: ~ message_id: 0B608F58-34AC-431E-AA48-D88B75097646@coleda.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda subject: '#parrotsketch meeting august 08, 2006' summary: 'The transcript of the #parrotsketch meeting [has been made available](http://www.parrotcode.org/misc/parrotsketch-logs/irclog.parrotsketch-200608/irclog.parrotsketch.20060808).' - date_from: 1155063201 date_to: 1155069908 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22708-1155063194-567.40122-72-0@perl.org messages: - 200608082140.12540.lt@toetsch.at - F6C90784-0FD6-49F2-AFB9-95304020C3D5@coleda.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #40122' subject: "[perl #40122] [TODO] list_splice should work on any pmc that 'does array'" summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket to address code near the `list_splice()` function which prevents using it across multiple types of PMCs. Leopold Toetsch replied that the implementation is optimized for Array, and a more general solution can be created by implementing the splice vtable function in the TclList PMC. Will closed the ticket and created . - date_from: 1155063427 date_to: 1155063427 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22710-1155063419-1319.40123-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse rt_ticket: 'perl #40123' subject: '[perl #40123] [TODO] push_eh + .param for argument mismatch errors' summary: |- In ticket , Matt Diephouse wrote that he would like to be able to use `.param` to catch argument mismatch errors inside of a subroutine. - date_from: 1155069633 date_to: 1155069633 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22707-1155069623-495.40124-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40124' subject: '[perl #40124] [TODO] Document HLL mappings' summary: |- Will Coleda penned ticket because he believes that the use of HLL mappings should be documented. This would help HLL authors know when to override, and when a change would have no effect. - date_from: 1155070442 date_to: 1155070442 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22709-1155070434-1371.40125-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40125' subject: '[perl #40125] [TODO] implement splice for ResizablePMCArray' summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket to schedule implementing a generic splice method. This request originated in . - date_from: 1155102539 date_to: 1155794671 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22709-1155102529-764.40132-72-0@perl.org messages: - rt-3.5.HEAD-31251-1155794664-1321.40151-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse rt_ticket: 'perl #40132' subject: '[perl #40132] [TODO] Remove set_pmc vtable method' summary: |- Matt Diephouse noted that `array.pmc` has contained a note indicating that `set_pmc` is deprecated for over a year now. In ticket , he requested that it be removed soon. - date_from: 1155102992 date_to: 1155102992 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060809055559.GC24444@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: 'Parrot 0.4.6 Released! {p2-only announcement}' summary: Chip Salzenberg reported the release of Parrot 0.4.6. - date_from: 1155106186 date_to: 1155106186 hidden: 1 message_id: 0B161234D9EAC142ACCFE7C49AA97BA501409CD4@us-rich-m01.global.tektronix.net posters: - email: kay-uwe.hull@exgate.tek.com name: Kay-Uwe Hull - email: kay-uwe.hull@exgate.tek.com name: kay-uwe.hull subject: 'Re: parrot compile error' summary: '' - date_from: 1155108536 date_to: 1155108536 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22708-1155108526-1774.40135-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40135' subject: '[perl #40135] [BUG] Tcl - t_tcl/subst.t failure.' summary: |- In ticket , Will Coleda reported a failing test and explained why the problem happened. - date_from: 1155128525 date_to: 1155128525 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22708-1155128516-495.40138-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40138' subject: "[perl #40138] [TODO] Tcl - add tcl's tests into our repository" summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket . In it, he stated that the Tcl test files should be added to the repository to allow anyone to run the tests. - date_from: 1155149388 date_to: 1155149388 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060809184919.GJ24444@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: can somebody convert an MS Project 97 file for me? summary: '' - date_from: 1155155793 date_to: 1155158764 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22708-1155155782-1474.40143-72-0@perl.org messages: - 1AC8D2EB-2051-4BDB-8701-6210A41421CF@coleda.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40143' subject: '[perl #40143] [TODO] Tcl - support $tcl_precision' summary: |- In ticket , Matt Diephouse described what he wanted from Tcl. Will Coleda added some additional instructions. - date_from: 1155159184 date_to: 1155159184 hidden: 1 message_id: 874pwlbnnn.fsf@merlot.par.afp.com posters: - email: Hugues.Lafarge@afp.com name: Hugues - email: Hugues.Lafarge@afp.com name: hugues subject: parrot compile error summary: '' - date_from: 1155172401 date_to: 1155236567 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-22701-1155172391-890.40145-72-0@perl.org messages: - 200608102102.32038.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Autrijus Tang - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #40145' subject: '[perl #40145] [PATCH] t/compilers/imcc/syn/macro.t segfault' summary: |- Audrey Tang requested a regeneration of a patch. Leopold Toetsch applied it as r13984. Ticket tracked the request. - date_from: 1155220232 date_to: 1155220232 hidden: ~ message_id: 3B99F67B-59F7-46A6-AD2F-6A544B33D89A@coleda.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda subject: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060810-7462.html summary: |- Will Coleda quoted [an article](http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060810-7462.html) which spoke of increasing interest in Parrot among dynamic language enthusiasts. - date_from: 1155262793 date_to: 1155330038 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060811021921.GD5650@tytlal.topaz.cx messages: - 20060811045853.GD14415@ifa.hawaii.edu - 20060811030113.GE5650@tytlal.topaz.cx - 4f4dc61f0608111338k7bc3c0abr74a42a1aa73fc3bd@mail.gmail.com - 4f4dc61f0608121714x77027fe9v98b0a21e30e13408@mail.gmail.com - 20060815182427.GC4863@tytlal.topaz.cx - 20060815180827.GB4863@tytlal.topaz.cx - 4f4dc61f0608111400h524b0dccw241c7ac28d9bd79@mail.gmail.com - 20060811051115.GE14415@ifa.hawaii.edu - x7veozzvrg.fsf@mail.sysarch.com - 20060811055238.GF5650@tytlal.topaz.cx - D1E8A48C-5925-4681-95F6-EC337449F50E@zeus.com - 20060811135929.GH5650@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: jhoblitt@ifa.hawaii.edu name: Joshua Hoblitt - email: woggling@gmail.com name: Charles Reiss - email: uri@stemsystems.com name: Uri Guttman - email: sphillips@zeus.com name: Sam Phillips subject: Review of current stm branch code summary: |- Chip Salzenberg reviewed the progress of Charles Reiss' Google Summer of Code project to add Software Transactional Memory to parrot. Chip commented that the work so far has been very good, and that he'd like Charles to continue contributing to Parrot. There were many questions and answers provided by both parties, and some C coding style issues were also raised. Due to the highly technical nature of this thread, we will not cover it at length. - date_from: 1155311046 date_to: 1155315701 hidden: ~ message_id: 44DCA5BB.3050609@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt messages: - 20060811170131.GE32359@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: albie@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt name: albie - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: albie@alfarrabio.di.uminho.pt name: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Alberto_Sim=F5es?= subject: Grammar question summary: |- Alberto Simões reposted a question of rules from #parrot. Patrick R. Michaud offered an answer. - date_from: 1155387898 date_to: 1155387898 hidden: ~ message_id: f5f3b0cb0608120604t209dbb10m1f4917f6fa9fa0df@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: mestre.smash@gmail.com name: Nuno Carvalho - email: mestre.smash@gmail.com name: nuno carvalho subject: PGE grammar test file summary: |- Nuno Carvalho has been working on tests to evaluate simple PGE grammars. Tests and other patches were included in the post. - date_from: 1155431796 date_to: 1155483715 hidden: ~ message_id: 80EA2604-467F-45ED-A128-1666C20DCDE4@petdance.com messages: - m28xlsj42v.fsf@phoenix.squirrel.nl - 4087F83D-A811-4153-93D5-28337DC426F8@petdance.com - 'p0623090bc104a4887d6b@[192.168.56.3]' - 20060813120553.GE19262@pjcj.net - 0F1C9228-7623-485F-ACF0-A79DAB405A43@petdance.com posters: - email: andy@petdance.com name: Andy Lester - email: jvromans@squirrel.nl name: Johan Vromans - email: liz@dijkmat.nl name: Elizabeth Mattijsen - email: paul@pjcj.net name: Paul Johnson subject: Why consting is good summary: |- Andy Lester wrote some documentation about why consting is good. He added it to the Parrot repository as `cage/consting.pod`. Elizabeth Mattijsen mentioned her module Data::Reuse, which was inspired by Andy's work and Data::Alias. The discussion continued in . - date_from: 1155472490 date_to: 1155486116 hidden: ~ message_id: A3C16C5851361146A6A2C2C8138C724001AA838B@flmx.iccur.com messages: - B93F844E-1E6B-4918-9DC3-A5B00CF42CFD@petdance.com posters: - email: Tom.Horsley@ccur.com name: Tom Horsley - email: andy@petdance.com name: Andy Lester subject: 'minority report [was RE: Why consting is good]' summary: |- Responding to , Tom Horsley explained why he is not as fond of `const` as Andy Lester is. Andy replied to some of Tom's points. - date_from: 1155498068 date_to: 1155498068 hidden: ~ message_id: c71658670608131240q38147ccekf292a089b0bc898e@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: vishalrsoni@gmail.com name: Vishal Soni subject: Common/Standard POST Implementation summary: |- Vishal Soni would like to see a standard POST implementation. After looking at several of the implementations, Vishal came up with something which could be used by all languages. The patch is attached. Allison Randal and Patrick R. Michaud were asked to examine it. - date_from: 1155528630 date_to: 1155528630 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608132105.32082.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: Improve Library Path Handling summary: |- chromatic noted that it is currently possible to change the paths Parrot uses to load libraries. He included tests which show the problem, and a patch to fix it. There is still a issue that the `enum_lib_paths` constants in `include/parrot/library.h` are not available via `iglobals.pasm`. - date_from: 1155561317 date_to: 1155561317 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060814131501.6239.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: '' - date_from: 1155588713 date_to: 1155588713 hidden: duplicate message_id: 1d9a3f400608141351n36c024e8p5806da0750cbf6@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: designing a test suite for multiple implementations (repository thread) summary: '' - date_from: 1155646636 date_to: 1155646636 hidden: ~ message_id: 97f280ea0608150556x7c917bbdy5b7a7c86eb3766de@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: amir.aharoni@gmail.com name: Amir E. Aharoni subject: rt problem summary: |- Amir E. Aharoni sent a patch but could not find it among the RT tickets. Amir wondered if the problem was RT or a user error. - date_from: 1155669829 date_to: 1155669829 hidden: ~ message_id: c71658670608151223u30349e01y3b8cdd324fc395d2@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: vishalrsoni@gmail.com name: Vishal Soni subject: Register Allocator summary: |- Vishal Soni offered some comments on the #parrotsketch IRC log, on the subject of register allocation. Vishal offered to write a simple register allocation scheme which will not be optimized but which might be adequate for the development phase. Comments were requested. - date_from: 1155682194 date_to: 1155881857 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608151548.57958.chromatic@wgz.org messages: - 1d9a3f400608161258xe4dfb3t3d472bd2815f16a0@mail.gmail.com - 1d9a3f400608160857m7e81e073rb1672ce0823aefee@mail.gmail.com - 200608161120.09381.chromatic@wgz.org - 1d9a3f400608161206y41edb72cv7ab0859db72435c9@mail.gmail.com - 5.1.0.14.2.20060817084818.02511830@pop.besancon.parkeon.com posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: fperrad@besancon.parkeon.com name: Francois PERRAD - email: francois.perrad@gadz.org name: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois?= PERRAD - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: '[PROPOSED PATCH] Add Parrot::Embed to Repository' summary: |- chromatic proposed adding Parrot::Embed to the repository, and provided a patch. Jerry Gay had a question about the patch format. Jerry and chromatic resolved the problem, and Jerry was able to report that, as chromatic expected, Windows did not like the patch. Francois Perrad also reported difficulties. chromatic planned to fix the problem. - date_from: 1155743643 date_to: 1155743643 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060816155321.01D8BCBA84@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: creiss@cvs.perl.org name: creiss subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r14131 - in trunk: . config/auto config/auto/cpu config/auto/cpu/i386 config/auto/cpu/ppc config/auto/cpu/sun4 config/gen/makefiles config/init docs/pdds docs/pdds/clip docs/stm examples/pir include/parrot include/parrot/atomic include/parrot/stm lib/Parrot runtime/parrot/library src src/atomic src/dynpmc src/ops src/pmc src/stm t t/pmc t/src t/stm tools/build tools/dev' summary: '' - date_from: 1155746901 date_to: 1155746901 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060816164810.ABB6DCB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: creiss@cvs.perl.org name: creiss subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r14139 - trunk/docs/pdds' summary: '' - date_from: 1155794821 date_to: 1155794821 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31259-1155794813-522.40153-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40153' subject: '[perl #40153] [CAGE] TEST_PROG ' summary: |- Will Coleda wanted anything referring to `TEST_PROG` to rename it to 'parrot' or 'executable' depending on context. Ticket tracks the issue. - date_from: 1155794966 date_to: 1155794966 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31251-1155794956-423.40156-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse rt_ticket: 'perl #40156' subject: "[perl #40156] [TODO] - Can't use an Iterator with a DynLexPad PMC " summary: '' - date_from: 1155795025 date_to: 1155795025 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31259-1155795016-23.40158-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse rt_ticket: 'perl #40158' subject: "[perl #40158] [TODO] - Can't use an Iterator with a DynLexPad PMC " summary: '' - date_from: 1155795049 date_to: 1155806931 hidden: duplicate message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31258-1155795039-1203.40160-72-0@perl.org messages: - f5f3b0cb0608170228x1402f40fv32b54a0f76335d89@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Nuno Carvalho - email: mestre.smash@gmail.com name: nuno carvalho rt_ticket: 'perl #40160' subject: '[perl #40160] [PATCH] PGE simple grammar test file ' summary: '' - date_from: 1155795074 date_to: 1155795074 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31257-1155795065-1607.40162-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Amir E . Aharoni rt_ticket: 'perl #40162' subject: '[perl #40162] [PATCH] parrot/trunk/docs/art/pp001-intro.pod - spelling ' summary: |- In ticket , Amir E . Aharoni sent a patch to correct some spelling errors. - date_from: 1155795253 date_to: 1155795253 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31257-1155795244-1168.40171-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Matt Diephouse rt_ticket: 'perl #40171' subject: "[perl #40171] [TODO] - Can't use an Iterator with a DynLexPad PMC " summary: |- In ticket , Matt Diephouse noted that iterator and DynLexPad don't work well together. He wondered how to make an arbitrary hash-like PMC to work with iterator. - date_from: 1155795904 date_to: 1155795904 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31257-1155795896-1499.40178-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40178' subject: '[perl #40178] None Must Die ' summary: |- In ticket , Chip Salzenberg passed a death sentence on the None class. Leopold Toetsch reported that he was working on removing it from the public interface of Hash. Leopold also noted that `$S0 = hsh['no_such_key']` used to return an empty STRING* but will now return a NULL STRING*. Patrick R. Michaud noted that this would break many things in PGE and provided some examples. Chip had some suggestions on how to reduce the pain. Jerry Gay also had some advice. Later, Patrick reported that there were only five things that would break with the change. - date_from: 1155796148 date_to: 1155796148 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31258-1155796140-1871.40179-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg rt_ticket: 'perl #40179' subject: '[perl #40179] None Must Die ' summary: '' - date_from: 1155797449 date_to: 1155797449 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31263-1155797441-1277.40182-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #40182' subject: '[perl #40182] [TODO] Convert PGE::CodeString to .pmc ' summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket to submit a request from Patrick R. Michaud to have CodeString written in C instead of PIR. - date_from: 1155802940 date_to: 1155820681 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31258-1155802931-1482.40187-72-0@perl.org messages: - 20060817131749.GB27702@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Nuno Carvalho - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud rt_ticket: 'perl #40187' subject: '[perl #40187] [PATCH] PGE simple grammar test file ' summary: |- Nuno Carvalho contributed a patch () which includes a rewritten PGE test file, adding some simple grammars. Patrick R. Michaud applied. This bug was [reposted] when the mail seemed to go missing. - date_from: 1155795904 date_to: 1155867735 hidden: duplicate message_id: 20060817195553.GB5161@tytlal.topaz.cx messages: - 200608180017.59074.lt@toetsch.at - 20060817225940.GC5161@tytlal.topaz.cx - 1d9a3f400608171311u4056a137we5f47dcce7a0cfc7@mail.gmail.com - 20060817201709.GD26157@host.pmichaud.com - 1d9a3f400608171326h2d7de327j2140dd4823ef8ff@mail.gmail.com - 44E52447.7010909@perl.org - 20060817201255.GC26157@host.pmichaud.com - 20060817195038.GA5161@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608180007.34796.lt@toetsch.at - rt-3.5.HEAD-31257-1155795896-1499.40178-72-0@perl.org - 200608180110.08092.lt@toetsch.at - 20060817232229.GD5161@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608180115.10633.lt@toetsch.at - 200608172112.08004.lt@toetsch.at - 20060817193030.GA26157@host.pmichaud.com - 200608180017.59074.lt@toetsch.at - 20060817225940.GC5161@tytlal.topaz.cx - 1d9a3f400608171311u4056a137we5f47dcce7a0cfc7@mail.gmail.com - 20060817201709.GD26157@host.pmichaud.com - 1d9a3f400608171326h2d7de327j2140dd4823ef8ff@mail.gmail.com - 44E52447.7010909@perl.org - 20060817201255.GC26157@host.pmichaud.com - 20060817195038.GA5161@tytlal.topaz.cx - 200608180007.34796.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: 'Re: [perl #40178] None Must Die' summary: '' - date_from: 1155844812 date_to: 1155844812 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31257-1155844792-299.40191-72-0@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Nuno Carvalho rt_ticket: 'perl #40191' subject: '[perl #40191] [PATCH] PGE simple grammar test file revisited ' summary: |- In ticket , Nuno Carvalho submitted a patch to make some changes to `t/compilers/pge/06-grammar.t`, namely to remove \t spacing, reorganize comments, and add an author section. - date_from: 1155865456 date_to: 1155896572 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608171843.18551.chromatic@wgz.org messages: - 200608181222.29035.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic subject: '[REPATCH] Parrot::Embed Take Two' summary: |- chromatic submitted a patch for the build file to try to resolve pkg_config issues with various platforms. He had some questions about installing from outside the Parrot tree on Windows. Leopold Toetsch offered a suggestion. - date_from: 1155919047 date_to: 1155919047 hidden: ~ message_id: f5f3b0cb0608180937o708350cev60aab890b302783e@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: mestre.smash@gmail.com name: Nuno Carvalho - email: mestre.smash@gmail.com name: nuno carvalho subject: 'Re: [perl #39868] [CAGE] convert C NN; }> to C NN;>' summary: |- Nuno Carvalho included a patch found in and noted problems that it caused. - date_from: 1153942953 date_to: 1156004230 hidden: from_july message_id: 44C7C58D.3070606@rblasch.org messages: - 6f9c15f80607261321r5d90a63fge7631caebe5ba7ba@mail.gmail.com - 44C88FB0.3050002@rblasch.org - 20060819161653.GB95088@plum.flirble.org posters: - email: mailing-lists@rblasch.org name: Ron Blaschke - email: bill.coffman@gmail.com name: Bill Coffman - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark subject: '[perl #38887] Result of INFINITY or NAN stringification is platform dependent' summary: '' - date_from: 1155931080 date_to: 1156030275 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608181257.09827.chromatic@wgz.org messages: - 200608191116.34277.lt@toetsch.at - 33f90540608191526h2701a964w51779823e8690f25@mail.gmail.com - 200608200130.57847.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: cjcollier@gmail.com name: C.J. Collier subject: 'Mono, Bundles, and Ahead-Of-Time Compilation' summary: |- chromatic linked to a [blog post](http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-17.html) by one of the [Mono](http://www.mono-project.com/) developers, which discussed Ahead-Of-Time Compilation, to speed up startup times, asking what Parrot could take from this. Leopold Toetsch replied that Parrot already supports the basic features needed for this, but that are not currently being tested or used, and would probably need to be updated. - date_from: 1155960683 date_to: 1155999707 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.5.HEAD-31251-1155960674-228.40200-72-0@perl.org messages: - 200608191701.35404.lt@toetsch.at posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chip Salzenberg - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #40200' subject: '[perl #40200] t/pmc/threads.t test 16 fails under JIT (parrot -j) ' summary: |- In ticket , Chip Salzenberg reported that since the STM merge, all of the `t/pmc/threads.t` succeed, but one of the tests fails under JIT. Leopold Toetsch clarified that the problem is not linked to JIT, but happens because two threads change the same global. title: Parrot Porters - name: perl6-language threads: - date_from: 1152721541 date_to: 1155873199 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060712162508.GN19536@woobling.org messages: - b78749dd0607141449w31834524q592a03e103022274@mail.gmail.com - ef30550b0607132155o482ee05ex642811d0dab2a2b6@mail.gmail.com - 20060714051654.GO19536@woobling.org - ef30550b0607132236j68ad4b99lf377e7d9bc229a2a@mail.gmail.com - 'p06230901c0dced0212e3@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714162213.11948.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 'p06230900c0dda3043016@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714212608.GA19536@woobling.org - ef30550b0607141248n7235d50fua059a70e02ed635b@mail.gmail.com - 20060714162213.11948.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 'p06230900c0dda3043016@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714212608.GA19536@woobling.org - ef30550b0607141248n7235d50fua059a70e02ed635b@mail.gmail.com - 'p06230900c0dce08926b1@[192.168.1.101]' - 44B7B053.9000802@biggar.org - 20060714193048.6932.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 'p06230901c0dda69004cf@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714213903.14170.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 20060714195535.GB17219@wall.org - 'p06230902c0dda969afc3@[192.168.1.101]' - 1152735373.28796.543.camel@pps - 20060712225014.GT19536@woobling.org - 20060712203229.GA25037@pobox.com - 1152741483.28796.609.camel@pps - 20060712224549.GS19536@woobling.org - 44B5AAAC.3000204@ajs.com - 20060712224422.GR19536@woobling.org - 'p06230900c0db9433a166@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060713143619.GA19536@woobling.org - 'p06230900c0dcc948b358@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060712170029.GP19536@woobling.org - 20060713183208.GE19536@woobling.org - b78749dd0607141449w31834524q592a03e103022274@mail.gmail.com - ef30550b0607132155o482ee05ex642811d0dab2a2b6@mail.gmail.com - 20060714051654.GO19536@woobling.org - ef30550b0607132236j68ad4b99lf377e7d9bc229a2a@mail.gmail.com - 'p06230901c0dced0212e3@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714162213.11948.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 'p06230900c0dda3043016@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714212608.GA19536@woobling.org - ef30550b0607141248n7235d50fua059a70e02ed635b@mail.gmail.com - 20060714162213.11948.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 'p06230900c0dda3043016@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714212608.GA19536@woobling.org - ef30550b0607141248n7235d50fua059a70e02ed635b@mail.gmail.com - 'p06230900c0dce08926b1@[192.168.1.101]' - 44B7B053.9000802@biggar.org - 20060714193048.6932.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 'p06230901c0dda69004cf@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714213903.14170.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 20060714195535.GB17219@wall.org - 'p06230902c0dda969afc3@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060714104224.GA31667@stripey.com - 20060714125632.GR19536@woobling.org - 20060813074743.GA18378@stripey.com - 'a06230911c104d8339717@[172.27.1.7]' - 20060815161405.1837.qmail@lists.develooper.com - 20060814175524.GD8691@stripey.com - 20060714132629.GA2692@stripey.com - 20060713195019.GA17074@wall.org - 20060714051739.GP19536@woobling.org - 20060713195919.GA17437@wall.org - 'a06230904c0dc95bde968@[172.27.1.7]' - 20060714220440.GA20346@wall.org - 'a06230912c104e79f343c@[172.27.1.7]' - 20060814174120.GC8691@stripey.com - 20060712163648.GO19536@woobling.org posters: - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: bailey.charles@gmail.com name: Charles Bailey - email: dataweaver@gmail.com name: Jonathan Lang - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: dave@whipp.name name: Dave Whipp - email: mark@biggar.org name: Mark A. Biggar - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: ajs@ajs.com name: Aaron Sherman - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff - email: Smylers@stripey.com name: Smylers - email: david.green@telus.net name: David Green - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: asuffield@suffields.me.uk name: Andrew Suffield - email: markjreed@mail.com name: Mark J. Reed - email: benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk name: Ben Morrow - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang subject: '===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)' summary: |- In the thread that wouldn't die, more questions and clarifications on the semantics of === were raised, especially with respect to arrays, the use of sigils during assignment, and cloning. - date_from: 1154442073 date_to: 1154442073 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608010721y7c051d92s6221dcc394b5c089@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang subject: Patch for S05 summary: |- Agent Zhang sent a patch to S05 which corrects a number of typos, and thanked people from #perl6 who had helped. - date_from: 1154445451 date_to: 1154448100 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608010817w67a28e4cuf39f53f43df6ee3d@mail.gmail.com messages: - 20060801160129.GA13068@wall.org posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: Legacy Dereferencing Syntax Used in S05 summary: |- Agent Zhang reported that S05 makes use of syntax that isn't found in other synopses. The question was whether the syntax was legacy. Larry Wall agreed that it was a leftover, and said he would fix it. - date_from: 1154458642 date_to: 1154458642 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060801185711.CE4C3CBA4F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10536 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154503231 date_to: 1154503231 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060802072022.16558CBA4F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10537 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154530129 date_to: 1154604790 hidden: ~ message_id: 200608021448.k72EmWn86406@winningweb.com messages: - 6A12B0F4-6F71-4295-BB28-A66AEBAA332D@audreyt.org posters: - email: lensman@winningweb.com name: Arthur Ramos Jr. - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang subject: Array Definitions summary: |- Arthur Ramos Jr. wrote to ask if there would be a change to matrix coding. Audrey Tang pointed him to S09 and recommended reading the synopses over the apocalypses and exegesis. - date_from: 1154530402 date_to: 1154530402 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060802145313.8B71ECBA4F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10538 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154534446 date_to: 1154534910 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060802160038.0A355CBA4F@x12.develooper.com messages: - 20060802160819.GV7519@aaroncrane.co.uk posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: perl@aaroncrane.co.uk name: Aaron Crane subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10539 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154858268 date_to: 1155735982 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060806095711.GC24279@woobling.org messages: - cda42dbb0608061909o3b042860g951c97357c3d4cbf@mail.gmail.com - c88fd55d0608100922h73d35650g918ea3be6aa04c03@mail.gmail.com - 20060810170213.GU23268@c4.convolution.nl - 20060810171115.GA30421@wall.org - 7ca3f0160608102335o4dfa8865m16e538a67f243a5d@mail.gmail.com - 8F5A5811-50B2-4075-B27B-021186C4BE0B@audreyt.org - 20060811153822.GA29240@wall.org posters: - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: ashley.winters@gmail.com name: Ashley Winters - email: eric256@gmail.com name: Eric - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: lrpalmer@gmail.com name: Luke Palmer - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: bailey.charles@gmail.com name: Charles Bailey subject: underscores in the core lib summary: |- Yuval Kogman asked why the naming convention for the core Perl 6 library disallows underscores. Many people contributed their own opinion, especially their negative one on the naming of the `.valid` (value id) method. Larry later clarified his opinion on underscores, and what constitutes as "core". - date_from: 1154939963 date_to: 1154975888 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608070139p28bdf45dja5c31505d1c98720@mail.gmail.com messages: - 20060807171553.GA19703@istic.org - 20060807101713.Y43587@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu - c711ff240608071105j6923fee7k7300af01e9b7e2c5@mail.gmail.com - c711ff240608071121s590a92cj413dd119416120a6@mail.gmail.com - 20060807193544.411673f4@mekanori.mon.istic.org posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: trey@eecs.harvard.edu name: Trey Harris subject: Patch for S06 (and also S03) summary: |- Agent Zhang sent a patch to S06 and S03 with typo corrections but had two lingering issues: S06 is overly repetitive in explaining the differences between 'inner' and 'of' return values, and 'unpacking tree node parameters' needs clarification. In addition, S06 referred to both 'is assoc('chain')' and 'is assoc('chaining')', which were normalized to 'chain'. Daniel Hulme had some patches to the patch; Trey Harris took responsibility for the confusion. There was a discussion on 'pointy subs/blocks' which was resolved with a reference to Audrey Tang's commit r10478. - date_from: 1154973691 date_to: 1154973691 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060807180123.B481ECBA4F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10676 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154978255 date_to: 1154978255 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060807191726.2ADF9CBA4F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10677 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154979502 date_to: 1154982560 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060807193814.2D1A6CBA4F@x12.develooper.com messages: - CC5841641559A4449EE25CD22EBB9F5A045DF0CF@ATLMSG04.turner.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: Mark.Reed@turner.com name: Mark Reed subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10678 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154981569 date_to: 1154996834 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060807201234.ED558CBA4F@x12.develooper.com messages: - 'p06230900c0fd82d87f4d@[192.168.1.101]' posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10679 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154982562 date_to: 1154982562 hidden: 1 message_id: CC5841641559A4449EE25CD22EBB9F5A045DF0D0@ATLMSG04.turner.com posters: - email: Mark.Reed@turner.com name: Mark Reed subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10678 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154983032 date_to: 1154983593 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060807203704.7A304CBA4F@x12.develooper.com messages: - CC5841641559A4449EE25CD22EBB9F5A045DF0D5@ATLMSG04.turner.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: Mark.Reed@turner.com name: Mark Reed subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10680 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1154999056 date_to: 1155042056 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060808010400.GP24279@woobling.org messages: - 7ca3f0160608080414v31851609j4557136bb1b35f37@mail.gmail.com - 20060808112114.GV24279@woobling.org - 7ca3f0160608080435q7d9e347aq8e75ca85a949dd63@mail.gmail.com - 20060808114059.GX24279@woobling.org - 7ca3f0160608080500o77a88017w24b35f383e08d23c@mail.gmail.com - 20060808130040.GA24279@woobling.org - 20060808070507.GI20324@earth.overmeer.net - 20060808091401.GR24279@woobling.org - 20060808085004.GQ24279@woobling.org posters: - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: lrpalmer@gmail.com name: Luke Palmer - email: mark@overmeer.net name: Mark Overmeer subject: weak roles summary: |- Yuval Kogman proposed the idea of "weak roles". Mark Overmeer and Luke Palmer replied bringing up issues with the idea. The general consensus seems to be that delegates are the right way to solve this. - date_from: 1155029519 date_to: 1155044576 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060808093136.GS24279@woobling.org messages: - 20060808101211.GA20526@istic.org - 20060808111030.GT24279@woobling.org - 7ca3f0160608080422v70bc6cedja841f218b7e3b605@mail.gmail.com - 20060808113540.GW24279@woobling.org - 7ca3f0160608080442t31a09808p22a525a73d7de302@mail.gmail.com - 20060808134236.GD24279@woobling.org posters: - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: lrpalmer@gmail.com name: Luke Palmer subject: Type annotation on expressions summary: |- Yuval Kogman asked for a syntax to provide type annotations to expressions, not just containers, in order to disambiguate MMD, and to provide type inference hints. Daniel Hulme asked if this is any different than coercion, and Luke Palmer debated the necessity of such a construct. - date_from: 1155083167 date_to: 1155521383 hidden: ~ message_id: 'p06230900c0fed87e97c7@[192.168.1.101]' messages: - 'p06230901c0ff246361bc@[192.168.1.101]' - 'a06230910c0fff4b944e4@[172.27.1.7]' - 'p06230900c105844bd0cc@[192.168.1.100]' posters: - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: david.green@telus.net name: David Green subject: naming of the Str type summary: |- Darren Duncan wrote because he felt that the name of the Str data type is ambiguous given the traditional use of the word 'string'. Later he updated his musings to accept that Str is a good enough name for the data type. David Green felt Darren's reasons made sense, but he did not object to Str. - date_from: 1155104756 date_to: 1155161995 hidden: ~ message_id: 'p06230902c0ff2756129c@[192.168.1.101]' messages: - 20060809075713.GN24279@woobling.org - 'p06230901c1000f237af8@[192.168.1.101]' posters: - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman subject: request addition of immutable Blob type summary: |- Following a #perl6 discussion on character strings, Darren Duncan proposed the addition of an immutable and portable arbitrary length Blob type. Yuval Kogman asked about str (now called 'buf'). Buf is a mutable type. - date_from: 1155173653 date_to: 1155206991 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810013402.1A94CCBA4F@x12.develooper.com messages: - 20060810104941.GR8290@aaroncrane.co.uk - c711ff240608092217n6887988cob3df81bb989517a9@mail.gmail.com - 20060810052044.GA12016@wall.org posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: perl@aaroncrane.co.uk name: Aaron Crane - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10758 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155178165 date_to: 1155178165 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810024902.GH31297@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: Parrot 0.4.6 Released! summary: '' - date_from: 1155183758 date_to: 1155183758 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810042231.D28F7CBA4F@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10762 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155187933 date_to: 1155187933 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810053206.26515CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10763 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155226585 date_to: 1155226585 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810161616.F4051CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: audreyt@cvs.perl.org name: audreyt subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10780 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155227762 date_to: 1155227762 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810163553.2E4CACB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: audreyt@cvs.perl.org name: audreyt subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10782 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155228057 date_to: 1155228057 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060810164048.1A62ACB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: audreyt@cvs.perl.org name: audreyt subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10783 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155255124 date_to: 1155286389 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060811001155.CB437CB9BB@x12.develooper.com messages: - 67d53e40608110152n411b3540heed80888b593c082@mail.gmail.com - 7ca3f0160608110000y1dec6126td8d25bd268cb60a1@mail.gmail.com - 2A84953A-6702-4966-8A67-99A514406DA1@audreyt.org - 'p06230901c10189841f06@[192.168.1.101]' - 20060811031759.GB7529@pobox.com - 20060811032309.GA10415@wall.org posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: lrpalmer@gmail.com name: Luke Palmer - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10804 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: |- Larry Wall committed a doc patch with the MAIN sub semantics. Luke Palmer and Audrey Tang discussed issues with the current semantics of MAIN declared as a method. - date_from: 1155262736 date_to: 1155262736 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060811021849.08621CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: audreyt@cvs.perl.org name: audreyt subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10805 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155266352 date_to: 1155266352 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060811031904.D73ECCB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10807 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155270947 date_to: 1155278264 hidden: ~ message_id: f5fa0f60608102135i6b165355h6e3ffbf518537a7d@mail.gmail.com messages: - 'p06230901c101c39bbc35@[192.168.1.100]' - 20060811063734.GB9596@pobox.com posters: - email: stevan.little@gmail.com name: Stevan Little - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff subject: Module/Class Authorities summary: |- Stevan Little wondered if there can be more than one authority for a module/class. He thought S11 indicated no. Darren Duncan thought perhaps versions would be used to clarify. Jonathan Scott Duff believed it was a social issue, and explained why he thought single authorities were the way to go. - date_from: 1155310887 date_to: 1155310887 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060811154119.62159CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10828 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155322922 date_to: 1155390533 hidden: duplicated cross posts from hell message_id: 1d9a3f400608111201q72189bf7sf990bfb476bd6717@mail.gmail.com messages: - 20060811200742.GA1766@wall.org - 1d9a3f400608111450k438d1867u157be3105aea715b@mail.gmail.com - 'p06230903c1028bd84ad6@[192.168.1.100]' - 0A729F23-1BA3-4628-8297-451AA9FFC2C3@audreyt.org - 20060812101550.GA64697@plum.flirble.org - D4397A73-37CE-4638-8A19-A905AA62F8A8@audreyt.org - 20060812134840.GZ5342@plum.flirble.org - c711ff240608112306i1515d693p632c4c015b7da588@mail.gmail.com - 20060812073022.GB25905@sike.forum2.org - 20060812160526.GA28285@wall.org posters: - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang - email: gaal@forum2.org name: Gaal Yahas - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: jerry gay subject: designing a test suite for multiple implementations summary: '' - date_from: 1155353292 date_to: 1155353292 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060812032805.2CB3FCB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: audreyt@cvs.perl.org name: audreyt subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10855 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155473251 date_to: 1155473251 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608130547q4a46c2f9pd9bf6b3647aaf02f@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang subject: Relative running order between traits blocks summary: |- Agent Zhang asked for clarification because S04 does not explain the running order of FIRST, ENTER, NEXT, LEAVE and LAST. Tests for Pugs, which should be verified, were linked to. - date_from: 1155473693 date_to: 1155473693 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608130554j6a4d4862nbe54f1d9e0c2a9ca@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang subject: Apply the unspace rule into embedded comments summary: |- Agent Zhang wondered if the unspace rule could be used with the embedded comment syntax. - date_from: 1155571317 date_to: 1155578371 hidden: ~ message_id: 7ca3f0160608140901h416e80dag39bbf3f562347ba7@mail.gmail.com messages: - 20060814164356.GR23950@woobling.org - 20060814175915.GB2116@pobox.com posters: - email: lrpalmer@gmail.com name: Luke Palmer - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff subject: Curious corner cases concerning closure cloning summary: |- Luke Palmer included some code with closures and wanted to know what they did. Yuval Kogman offered some answers based upon his intuition. Jonathan Scott Duff also offered his opinion. - date_from: 1155584170 date_to: 1155584170 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060814193603.2F374CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10940 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155603233 date_to: 1155603233 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060815005344.D1F24CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10942 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155605933 date_to: 1155605933 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060815013845.72753CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10944 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155640560 date_to: 1155640560 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608150415m798e7818vfc9563b2e5bf34b5@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang subject: Outlaw the "\ddd" notation summary: |- Agent Zhang wanted to state in S02 that Perl 6's `\o` and `\o[]` replace Perl 5's `\ddd`. - date_from: 1155643915 date_to: 1155643915 hidden: ~ message_id: c711ff240608150511n6e6abae2q4f9ffad6a3b8e733@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang subject: do EXPR summary: |- Agent Zhang submitted a patch for S04 which came from a snippet in the Pugs test suite. - date_from: 1155656468 date_to: 1155656468 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060815154100.9297ECB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10969 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155656504 date_to: 1155656504 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060815154137.BE440CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10970 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155657178 date_to: 1155657178 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060815155247.9A2B7CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r10971 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155757721 date_to: 1155790894 hidden: ~ message_id: f60fe000608161248n1115148bkce6e82fb369ab88a@mail.gmail.com messages: - c711ff240608162146n65b473b5tdda2dff04a1dcace@mail.gmail.com - bf92fb8e0608162201v6f0b1df7i7faab06c6821582f@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: markjreed@gmail.com name: Mark J. Reed - email: agentzh@gmail.com name: Agent Zhang - email: thom.boyer@gmail.com name: Thom Boyer subject: Dumb doc question... summary: |- Mark J. Reed wanted to know where he could find a pod2html converter that understands the Perl 6 POD. Agent Zhang replied that pod2html can handle the synopses, except for the '=encoding' directive. Thom Boyer suggested looking at the [online HTML version of the specifications](http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/synopsis.html) but noted that S29 is not included except by reference to the SVN repository. - date_from: 1155765446 date_to: 1155765446 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060816215716.E7738CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11047 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155774089 date_to: 1155952159 hidden: ~ message_id: 002a01c6c193$1605a5e0$b6194447@JoeGottman1 messages: - 20060817012447.GA24113@wall.org posters: - email: jgottman@carolina.rr.com name: Joe Gottman - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: lrpalmer@gmail.com name: Luke Palmer - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff subject: NEXT and the general loop statement summary: |- Joe Gottman asked if NEXT was called before or after the update portion of a loop statement. Larry Wall replied that a three argument loop is implicitly using NEXT, and the block exiting blocks run in reverse order. This led to further discussion also involving Luke Palmer and Jonathan Scott Duff. - date_from: 1155782721 date_to: 1155782721 hidden: ~ message_id: ec0l5d$dbq$1@sea.gmane.org posters: - email: mark@summersault.com name: Mark Stosberg subject: 'typo fix: trinary -> ternary' summary: Mark Stosberg suggested a typo fix in `Perl6/Spec/Operator.pod`. - date_from: 1155785978 date_to: 1155785978 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060817033931.230E9CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11065 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155831908 date_to: 1155831908 hidden: ~ message_id: CC5841641559A4449EE25CD22EBB9F5A045DF528@ATLMSG04.turner.com posters: - email: Mark.Reed@turner.com name: Mark Reed subject: Random grammar typo in S02 summary: Mark Reed reported a typo in S02. - date_from: 1155832228 date_to: 1155832228 hidden: ~ message_id: CC5841641559A4449EE25CD22EBB9F5A045DF52A@ATLMSG04.turner.com posters: - email: Mark.Reed@turner.com name: Mark Reed subject: String length summary: |- Mark Reed wondered why there is no `.length` method on Str, when StrPos and StrLen types are defined. He proposed a `.length` method which would return a StrLen. - date_from: 1155833680 date_to: 1155912655 hidden: ~ message_id: CC5841641559A4449EE25CD22EBB9F5A045DF530@ATLMSG04.turner.com messages: - 'a06230905c10a52f15d58@[172.27.1.7]' posters: - email: Mark.Reed@turner.com name: Mark Reed - email: david.green@telus.net name: David Green - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: kaa@nightmail.ru name: Alexey A. Kirithun subject: 'Numerification of Order:: constants' summary: |- Mark Reed quoted a section of S03 and asked if Order::Increase should numerify to +1 and Order::Decrease to -1. Mark A. Biggar explained that `$a cmp $b` can be seen as a sequence `($a, $b)`--if the sequence is increasing, `$a cmp $b` returns Order::Increase or -1. David Green pondered the question. Larry Wall noted that `cmp` does not mean `eq`. He also expressed his feeling that 'but True' and 'but False' are workarounds, and not many core interfaces will use solutions involving 'but'. - date_from: 1155834847 date_to: 1155834847 hidden: 1 message_id: 081720061713.19076.44E4A3CE000462AC00004A8422165258069D0E0909070DD20ED2059D0E03@comcast.net posters: - email: mark.a.biggar@comcast.net name: Mark A Biggar - email: mark.a.biggar@comcast.net name: mark.a.biggar subject: 'Re: Numerification of Order:: constants' summary: '' - date_from: 1155854263 date_to: 1155854263 hidden: ~ message_id: f60fe000608171537vd1db26ax7686cf5986fae17@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: markjreed@mail.com name: Mark J. Reed subject: Invocant name in S12 summary: |- Mark J. Reed noted that S12 never states the default invocant name. He wondered if the term 'self' was introduced somewhere. - date_from: 1155856122 date_to: 1155856122 hidden: commit message_id: 20060817230834.F40B7CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11113 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155857989 date_to: 1155922007 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060817233939.60517CB9BB@x12.develooper.com messages: - 67d53e40608180256t26bb56aamd30503c1ad79ef6e@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11115 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: |- In response to a commit by Larry Wall, Markus Laire asked if switch `-abc` would mean `-a -b -c`. Larry discussed some of his concerns but thought it should probably be possible. Markus Laire understood Larry's point, and further elaborated on his proposal. - date_from: 1155858331 date_to: 1155858331 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060817234521.58C7ACB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11116 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155913912 date_to: 1155913912 hidden: commit message_id: 20060818151143.876C8CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: audreyt@cvs.perl.org name: audreyt subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11135 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155916840 date_to: 1155916840 hidden: commit message_id: 20060818160028.07373CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11136 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155917368 date_to: 1155917368 hidden: commit message_id: 20060818160922.28A20CB9BB@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org name: larry subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r11137 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1155938261 date_to: 1156001950 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060818215820.GE1167@ifa.hawaii.edu messages: - 20060818232244.GA3239@wall.org - 49b351060608181823m14bc7b39v1b7c70be1a24519b@mail.gmail.com - 20060819015857.GG20021@aaroncrane.co.uk - 7ca3f0160608181926w32f9d4a4y38d8c87035ac4828@mail.gmail.com - 20060819144214.