--- extra: header: - title: Summary updates body: |- This post continues with the task of addressing the Perl 6 summary backlog. The following schedule is planned for the remaining updates: * 6 August: June * 13 August: July * 20 August: August to date After the 20th of August I hope to return the summaries to a weekly schedule. footer: - body: |- New features in Yuval Kogman's Mail::Summary::Tools further improved the summary-writing process. Yuval also contributed some of the summaries this week. If you appreciate Perl, consider [contributing to the Perl Foundation](http://donate.perlfoundation.org) to help support the development of Perl. Thank you to everyone who has pointed out mistakes and offered suggestions for improving this series. Comments on this summary can be sent to Ann Barcomb, . title: Acknowlegements see_also: - name: Perl Foundation activities uri: http://blog.perlfoundation.org - name: Perl 6 Development uri: http://dev.perl.org/perl6 - name: Planet Perl Six uri: http://planetsix.perl.org/perl6 lists: - name: perl6-users threads: - date_from: 1147846526 date_to: 1147919792 hidden: ~ message_id: 271D2E68-C6E5-4677-A8A2-0BFD1C2C64A8@develooper.com posters: - email: ask@develooper.com - email: jkeen@verizon.net name: James Keenan subject: perl6-users mailing list summary: |- Ask Bjørn Hansen announced the creation of the perl6-users mailing list on May 17th, 2006. - date_from: 1147930112 date_to: 1147936005 hidden: 1 message_id: '!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALPiZukRAp1LqhcE29DOvC/CgAAAEAAAAIWQDmxwISJAlsSQP7wvnOkBAAAAAA==@Gmail.com' posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: ask@perl.org subject: 'Perl 6 User FAQ (perl.perl6.user) -- Version: 2006-05-17' summary: ~ thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00001.html - date_from: 1147931917 date_to: 1147931917 hidden: 1 message_id: '!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALPiZukRAp1LqhcE29DOvC/CgAAAEAAAAOARVMoDMN9OiAhgZ/S2S1gBAAAAAA==@Gmail.com' posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: 'Perl 6 User FAQ (perl.perl6.users) -- Version: 2006-05-17 b (s/user/users/)' summary: ~ thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00002.html - date_from: 1147965896 date_to: 1147965896 hidden: ~ message_id: '!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAALPiZukRAp1LqhcE29DOvC/CgAAAEAAAAHMSQs9WHVRPuFMQ6A0KySsBAAAAAA==@Gmail.com' posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: 'Perl 6 Users FAQ (perl.perl6.users) -- Version: 2006-05-18 (s/newsgroup/mailing list/)' summary: Conrad Schneiker posted the Perl 6 User FAQ. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00005.html - date_from: 1147966340 date_to: 1148145926 hidden: ~ message_id: 67d53e40605180831j4b3dd053w7de0808bf572da8f@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: perl6-users or perl6-meta? summary: |- Markus Laire asked about the state of perl6-meta, now that perl6-users has been created. Conrad Schneiker replied that perl6-users would be used. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00006.html - date_from: 1147972385 date_to: 1149364079 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060518171244.11893.qmail@lists.develooper.com posters: - email: mail@gedankenkonstrukt.de name: Thomas Wittek - email: schwigon@webit.de name: Steffen Schwigon - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis - email: amir.aharoni@gmail.com name: Amir E. Aharoni - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: james_peregrino@harvard.edu name: James Peregrino - email: david.romano@gmail.com name: David Romano - email: szabgab@gmail.com name: Gabor Szabo - email: jkeen_via_google@yahoo.com name: James E Keenan - email: doughera@lafayette.edu name: Andy Dougherty - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: david@cantrell.org.uk name: David Cantrell - email: cyocum@gmail.com name: Chris Yocum - email: nicholasrperez@gmail.com name: Nicholas Perez subject: Where can I find a Perl 6 language reference? summary: |- Thomas Wittek wondered if the best language reference for Perl 6 was the synopses, pugs-doc, or another resource. A. Pagaltzis recommended pugs-doc, and gave the URL to a getting started document. Michael Mathews added that he was looking for a step-by-step guide to installing Perl 6. David Romano described his own build process, and noted that the INSTALL file explains the process in greater detail. A couple of other people offered suggestions or mentioned their own documentation questions. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00007.html - date_from: 1148054337 date_to: 1148054337 hidden: ~ message_id: 82bb54530605190858n1f84c99bu4c54ace1af5f26b7@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: cyocum@gmail.com name: Chris Yocum subject: Windows Binaries for Pugs summary: |- Chris Yocum noted that there were some slightly out-of-date Windows binaries of Pugs available. James Peregrino wondered if binaries were worthwhile, given the speed of development. Jonathan Scott Duff felt that they were appropriate for people looking to dabble. Rutger Vos was in favor of nightly builds. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00017.html - date_from: 1148059535 date_to: 1148060999 hidden: 1 message_id: 82bb54530605191049o3aa5913cs4cb23117ad39695e@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: cyocum@gmail.com name: Chris Yocum - email: james_peregrino@harvard.edu name: James Peregrino - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff - email: Andy_Bach@wiwb.uscourts.gov name: Andy Bach subject: 'Re: Windows Binaries for Pugs' summary: ~ - date_from: 1148071393 date_to: 1148071393 hidden: 1 message_id: 200605192042.k4JKg9l3011630@rm-rstar.sfu.ca posters: - email: rvosa@sfu.ca name: Rutger Vos subject: 'Re: Windows Binaries for Pugs' summary: ~ - date_from: 1148157234 date_to: 1148189786 hidden: ~ message_id: 01ab01c67c4c$a6b7cd20$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: andreas.koenig.gmwojprw@franz.ak.mind.de name: Andreas Koenig Gmwojprw subject: 'Perl 6 User FAQ (perl.perl6.users) -- Latest version now on web.' summary: |- Conrad Schneiker reported that the user FAQ had been updated and offered a link. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00026.html - date_from: 1148248635 date_to: 1148248635 hidden: ~ message_id: 004901c67d21$625072b0$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: 'Latest additions (links, release highlights to Perl 6 Users FAQ' summary: |- Conrad Schneiker listed the latest additions to the Perl 6 Users FAQ and noted that it can be found at [www.athenalab.com](http://www.athenalab.com/Perl_6_Users_FAQ.htm). thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00032.html - date_from: 1148338740 date_to: 1148352459 hidden: ~ message_id: 441079bd0605221557g59188212rd195673ea5def3f6@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: david.romano@gmail.com name: David Romano - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: james_peregrino@harvard.edu name: James Peregrino - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews subject: parrot and pugs builds for os x summary: |- David Romano created packages of Pugs and Parrot for OS X and asked people to try them. Michael Mathews reported success. The download location for the packages was discussed. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00036.html - date_from: 1148370174 date_to: 1148375046 hidden: ~ message_id: 003401c67e3c$65aaaea0$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: pjf@perltraining.com.au name: Paul Fenwick subject: '(Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6).' summary: |- [In an earlier thread](msgid:DBABF01F-0F09-466F-A48E-4C96118D80BD@dstorrs.com), it was suggested that perhaps a Perl 6 wiki to keep information on Pugs progress up-to-date would be useful. Conrad Schneiker posted about a wiki site with good policies that might be suitable, and Paul Fenwick, an admin from the site, expressed his willingness to help out. Juerd, however, thought it would be nice to not just write about Perl 6 in the wiki, but to create the wiki software in Perl 6. Conrad posted addition details in [another thread](msgid:d0530af40605230908m61f2c8c7n5cdf60e5f8e17c3f@mail.gmail.com). [The wiki came up again](msgid:00f401c67fd7$bc0e7c80$e8836944@athenalab2), with Conrad and Juerd posting on the merits of various options. JMD added a comment as well. - date_from: 1148546796 date_to: 1148553767 hidden: 1 message_id: 00f401c67fd7$bc0e7c80$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews subject: 'Perl 6 Wiki -- 2 more possibilities, & further discussion.' summary: '' - date_from: 1148373050 date_to: 1148373050 hidden: ~ message_id: 4472C826.2090009@seznam.cz posters: - email: rootmj_konf@seznam.cz name: Jurosz Michal subject: Perl 6 and Parrot links summary: |- Jurosz Michal referenced [a wiki page containing Perl 6 and Parrot links](http://wiki.kn.vutbr.cz/mj/index.cgi?Perl%206%20and%20Parrot%20links). thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00060.html - date_from: 1148400531 date_to: 1148553788 hidden: 1 message_id: d0530af40605230908m61f2c8c7n5cdf60e5f8e17c3f@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd subject: 'Re: (Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6)' summary: '' - date_from: 1148403116 date_to: 1148578070 hidden: ~ message_id: dab429000605230951y17fe55dt4914c45520a9b852@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: cyocum@gmail.com name: Chris Yocum - email: andy@shitov.ru name: Andrew Shitov - email: ml-perl@thepierianspring.org name: Randy W. Sims - email: david@cantrell.org.uk name: David Cantrell - email: szabgab@gmail.com name: Gabor Szabo subject: perl 6 hosting? summary: |- Michael Mathews wondered if there was any possibility of finding an environment with Perl 6 installed so that people could dabble in it without having to install all the required software and keep it updated. Security concerns were pointed out. Chris Yocum proposed regular binary distributions to make installation easier. There was continued discussion on how to address the security issues. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00045.html - date_from: 1148409705 date_to: 1148415043 hidden: ~ message_id: 82bb54530605231141q5054c433k58ba65f8513cbe92@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: cyocum@gmail.com name: Chris Yocum - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud - email: szabgab@gmail.com name: Gabor Szabo - email: concept@conceptonline.hu name: Fagyal Csongor - email: publiustemp-perl6users@yahoo.com name: Ovid - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis - email: martin@martinkjeldsen.dk name: Martin Kjeldsen - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: schwigon@webit.de name: Steffen Schwigon - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff subject: Simple Print/Say Question summary: |- Chris Yocum got stuck converting a program from Perl 5 to Perl 6. The difficulty involved joining elements of an array in to a string. Gabor Szabo offered alternate syntax, and several people reported that both the original and Gabor's version worked for them. The problem was identified in another portion of Chris's code. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00052.html - date_from: 1148486126 date_to: 1148548040 hidden: ~ message_id: d8a74af10605240854x513b19eehdf76dc9f169fad6c@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: szabgab@gmail.com name: Gabor Szabo - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: david.romano@gmail.com name: David Romano - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: eval summary: |- Gabor Szabo asked what `$@` is in Pugs. Yuval Kogman replied that it is `$!` and linked to the exception handlers documentation. He also mentioned `try`. Michael Mathews asked for a working example of try and CATCH. David Romano thought CATCH hadn't been implemented yet. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00084.html - date_from: 1148504096 date_to: 1148889796 hidden: ~ message_id: dab429000605241354w22d0c20p9579bedcae0b2244@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: publiustemp-perl6users@yahoo.com name: Ovid - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis - email: schwigon@webit.de name: Steffen Schwigon - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud - email: szabgab@gmail.com name: Gabor Szabo - email: chris@clotho.com name: Chris Dolan - email: david@cantrell.org.uk name: David Cantrell subject: 3 Good Reasons... summary: |- Michael Mathews asked if people could contribute compelling reasons for managers to switch from Perl 5 to Perl 6, because the syntax is so different that it is in essence a new language. Daniel Hulme shared his love of the type system. Ovid felt the strength of Perl 6 is in the object system, and the fact that it interacts well with other languages. Several other people responded with their thoughts. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00090.html - date_from: 1148515552 date_to: 1148609459 hidden: ~ message_id: 441079bd0605241705v36eebe4en70ecbabfc1d157af@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: david.romano@gmail.com name: David Romano - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: publiustemp-perl6users@yahoo.com name: Ovid - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis subject: 'Logic Programming for Perl6 (Was Re: 3 Good Reasons... (typo alert!))' summary: |- The earlier thread spawned a discussion of logic programming. Previously, Ovid had expressed his concern about Perl 6 not including support for logic programming, but noted that this was a mixed blessing since it is usually implemented incorrectly. David Romano was curious about what problems Ovid saw with adding support for logic programming in Perl 6. Ovid elaborated. Larry Wall added that perhaps perl6-language was a better location for the discussion. Ovid started a new thread in that group: . thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00098.html - date_from: 1148554465 date_to: 1148554465 hidden: ~ message_id: d8a74af10605250354s714d31fv743d15ae43ddd82f@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: szabgab@gmail.com name: Gabor Szabo subject: perldoc or pod parser in Perl6 summary: |- Gabor Szabo asked if there was a perldoc command or pod parser implemented in Perl 6. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00106.html - date_from: 1148730708 date_to: 1148737113 hidden: ~ message_id: 44783C0F.6090806@perltraining.com.au posters: - email: pjf@perltraining.com.au name: Paul Fenwick - email: publiustemp-perl6users@yahoo.com name: Ovid subject: Introductions; P6 wiki summary: |- Paul Fenwick brought up the idea of a wiki for Perl 6, which was also mentioned in thread . He made a reference to implementing the wiki in Perl 6; Ovid responded with a proposal on how someone might accomplish that. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00124.html - date_from: 1148765735 date_to: 1150052277 hidden: ~ message_id: 002301c681d5$61b99fd0$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis - email: mail@gedankenkonstrukt.de name: Thomas Wittek - email: post@udo-guengerich.de - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: chiology@gmail.com name: Matt Todd - email: concept@conceptonline.hu name: Fagyal Csongor - email: trammell@el-swifto.com name: John J. Trammell - email: tom@netspot.com.au name: Tom Lanyon - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: sagelt@gmail.com name: Sage La Torra - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: ask@perl.org - email: schwigon@webit.de name: Steffen Schwigon - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: hez@truegeek.net name: Hezekiah M. Carty - email: benmorrow@tiscali.co.uk name: Ben Morrow - email: perl6@web.expr42.net name: Sebastian - email: amir.aharoni@gmail.com name: Amir E. Aharoni - email: pjf@perltraining.com.au name: Paul Fenwick - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan subject: '$1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6' summary: |- Continuing with the discussion of a wiki in Perl 6, previously mentioned in , Conrad Schneiker announced a reward for the person who delivers the first Perl 6 wiki. He defined how the winner would be determined and the money distributed. There were discussions on the specifications for the project. There was also a call for a wiki on Perl 6 to be created immediately, without adding the delay of rewriting wiki software in Perl 6. People were also interested in comparing markdown with mediawiki syntax. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00126.html - date_from: 1148769431 date_to: 1148769431 hidden: 1 message_id: 003401c681de$069f3de0$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: 'RE: $1,000 prize for Perl 6 Wiki written in Perl 6' summary: ~ - date_from: 1148803743 date_to: 1149010209 hidden: ~ message_id: dab429000605280108u25200f2ei66a2ba59b325d2e5@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: andy@shitov.ru name: Andrew Shitov - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: publiustemp-perl6users@yahoo.com name: Ovid - email: jahoffm@cecs.pdx.edu name: Joel Hoffman - email: scook0@gmail.com name: Stuart Cook - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: CGI on 6 summary: |- In reference to the wiki challenge (), Michael Mathews asked about CGI on Perl 6. Conrad Schneiker offered some links with example code. Ovid thought the interface would be taken from Perl 5 and noted that now was a good time to note any complaints with Perl 5 modules. He also pointed out that the cookbook Conrad referenced was missing a lot of detail, and thought Audrey Tang would welcome any material. Several other people also volunteered information. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00129.html - date_from: 1148917452 date_to: 1148950600 hidden: ~ message_id: FC582625-E954-4563-906C-883247971E25@teromajusa.net posters: - email: rob@teromajusa.net name: Rob - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: chris@clotho.com name: Chris Dolan - email: ask@perl.org subject: Relationship between pugs and parrot/language/perl6 summary: |- Rob asked about the relationship between Pugs and the Perl 6 implementation found under languages in Parrot. Audrey Tang replied that Parrot/Perl 6 project is one of three independent implementations of Perl 6, with the other two being 'lrep', and, naturally, Pugs. She explained the reasons behind the different projects. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00160.html - date_from: 1148950447 date_to: 1149055814 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060530005320.97184.qmail@web60812.mail.yahoo.com posters: - email: publiustemp-perl6users@yahoo.com name: Ovid - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: pagaltzis@gmx.de name: A. Pagaltzis - email: david@cantrell.org.uk name: David Cantrell - email: amir.aharoni@gmail.com name: Amir E. Aharoni - email: concept@conceptonline.hu name: Fagyal Csongor - email: micmath@gmail.com name: Michael Mathews - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: josh@hitchhiker.org name: Josh Wilmes - email: gbarr@pobox.com name: Graham Barr - email: b7j0c@yahoo.com name: Brad Clawsie - email: rvosa@sfu.ca name: Rutger Vos - email: andy@shitov.ru name: Andrew Shitov - email: andy@petdance.com name: Andy Lester subject: Minimum modules for Production? summary: |- Ovid tried to compile a list of 'must have' modules that will be needed in Perl 6 for it to be used in production. Other people added their suggestions. The following modules were mentioned: DBI, Template toolkit, DateTime, CGI, an object-relational mapper, mod_perl6, an HTML parser, LWP, Test::More, and XML::Parser. Amir E. Aharoni said that he'd like to see modules in the core if they were worth mentioning in books like 'The Perl Cookbook' and 'Perl Best Practices'. Darren Duncan said that the Perl 6 distribution would be small, with other modules available on CPAN. Larry Wall replied that people would be encouraged to form standard distributions. Some other people joined the discussion. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00168.html - date_from: 1149056068 date_to: 1149402884 hidden: ~ message_id: 003001c68479$6c7f0210$e8836944@athenalab2 posters: - email: conrad.schneiker@gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: sthoenna@efn.org name: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes - email: ml-perl@thepierianspring.org name: Randy W. Sims subject: 'RE: [#59132406] perl.perl6.users MIA' summary: |- Conrad Schneiker reported the absence of perl6-users to Google groups. There was some discussion of Google's group-adding policy, and a request to have it added to Gmane as well. This group was eventually added to both Google and Gmane, but archives were not included, as anyone clicking on the perl6-users links in this summary probably noticed. thread_uri: http://www.mail-archive.com/perl6-users@perl.org/msg00198.html title: Users - name: perl6-language threads: - date_from: 1146323727 date_to: 1146766068 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060429151508.GT1309@c4.convolution.nl posters: - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: Austin_Hastings@Yahoo.com name: Austin Hastings - email: damian@conway.org name: Damian Conway - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: nothingmuch@woobling.org name: Yuval Kogman - email: dataweaver@gmail.com name: Jonathan Lang - email: siracusa@mindspring.com name: John Siracusa - email: gaal@forum2.org name: Gaal Yahas - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark - email: Smylers@stripey.com name: Smylers - email: paul@pjcj.net name: Paul Johnson - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire subject: A shorter long dot summary: |- In the previous month, there was a fair amount of discussion on the long dot. May saw more of the topic, which was kicked off by Juerd. Several people dislike `. .` and alternatives were proposed. The alternatives did not enjoy universal support either. - date_from: 1146448313 date_to: 1146448313 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501015115.21A62CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9047 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146448594 date_to: 1146448594 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501015543.3DEBCCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9048 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146472292 date_to: 1146472292 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501083125.3692ECBA6D@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9050 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146472400 date_to: 1146472400 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501083309.95588CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9051 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146472533 date_to: 1146472533 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501083523.7D64CCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9052 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146498236 date_to: 1146498236 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501154347.07D75CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9069 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146500304 date_to: 1146500304 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501161817.317DECBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9071 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146504729 date_to: 1146603374 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060501173202.E2E7BCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org - email: james@mastros.biz - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9076 / my ($foo, *, $bar) = 1..3' summary: |- In reply to a commit by Audrey Tang, James Mastros asked if `my ($foo, *, $bar) = 1..3` is legal but undocumented Perl 6. Audrey replied that it probably was and requested a use case example. James was not able to come up with one at the time. - date_from: 1146528825 date_to: 1146528825 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060502001318.B159CCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9091 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146548223 date_to: 1146548223 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060502053655.A8D37CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9096 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146574207 date_to: 1146574207 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060502124959.E99CACBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9099 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146592013 date_to: 1146592013 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060502174644.67A08CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9103 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146603461 date_to: 1146603461 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060502205733.CEBD8CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9107 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146675474 date_to: 1146675474 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060503165743.E0817CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9110 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146678137 date_to: 1146678137 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060503174207.27B30CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9111 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146743709 date_to: 1146762913 hidden: ~ message_id: 67d53e40605040455v34cd3493ve4fde186d6682d78@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd subject: Linking Synopses to corresponding pod-files? summary: |- Markus Laire noted that if synopses referenced their POD files it would be easier to submit patches for the typographical errors he sometimes spots. Juerd replied that replacing 'html' with 'pod' in the file name provided the solution. - date_from: 1146753908 date_to: 1147100096 hidden: ~ message_id: DBABF01F-0F09-466F-A48E-4C96118D80BD@dstorrs.com posters: - email: dstorrs@dstorrs.com name: David K Storrs - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: Conrad.Schneiker@Gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker - email: douglist@macnauchtan.com name: Doug McNutt - email: james@mastros.biz - email: paul@pjcj.net name: Paul Johnson subject: 'RFC: Community education page' summary: |- David K Storrs referred to the oft-encountered perspective that Perl 6 is taking a long time and that nothing has been accomplished. He proposed a single web page which could display important progress benchmarks, and offered to create, host and maintain the page if it was seen as a good idea. There were a couple of suggestions, including Juerd's somewhat unrelated request for an up-to-date wiki covering Pugs. - date_from: 1146779124 date_to: 1146954811 hidden: ~ message_id: 'p06230900c080022dc056@[192.168.1.101]' posters: - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: mAsterdam@vrijdag.org name: mAsterdam - email: james@mastros.biz name: James Mastros - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: sam@vilain.net name: Sam Vilain subject: using the newer collection types summary: |- Darren Duncan asked some questions to clarify the syntax of features of newer types to aid him in his work on implementing a Relation type for Perl 6. He received many replies. Two additional topics were spawned: 'relations as roles' and 'using the newer collection types - Interval'. - date_from: 1146835994 date_to: 1146838974 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060505133305.2237.qmail@lists.develooper.com posters: - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol subject: '[S05] /ee' summary: |- Ruud H.G. van Tol asked a question about whether eval was block (try) or string in a particular context. Juerd tried to answer. - date_from: 1146847367 date_to: 1146867565 hidden: 1 message_id: 67d53e40605050942y35ccdad0k5201a9fe4d6f4540@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud subject: 'S09: Single typo & postfix ...' summary: '' - date_from: 1146866982 date_to: 1146866982 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060505220252.A0F75CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9119 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146868084 date_to: 1146868084 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060505222743.14710CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9120 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1146935071 date_to: 1146935071 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060506170417.62F6CCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9126 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147085639 date_to: 1147188068 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060508105351.30407.qmail@lists.develooper.com posters: - email: rvtol+news@isolution.nl name: Dr.Ruud - email: Thomas.Sandlass@orthogon.com name: TSa - email: Smylers@stripey.com name: Smylers - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: '"normalized" hash-keys' summary: |- Ruud H.G. van Tol asked how one would define that a specific hash has keys which are not case-sensitive. Some people responded with recollections of a synopsis which addressed this but no reference was found. Larry Wall offered his thoughts on how this would work. - date_from: 1147098690 date_to: 1147211627 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060508143023.GK4188@sike.forum2.org posters: - email: gaal@forum2.org name: Gaal Yahas - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: Smylers@stripey.com name: Smylers - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: Austin_Hastings@Yahoo.com name: Austin Hastings - email: mark@biggar.org name: Mark A. Biggar - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff - email: damian@conway.org name: Damian Conway - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd subject: Scans summary: |- Gaal Yahas asked how one could express scans (a generalization of reductions) in Perl 6. The reduce meta operator was subsequently modified to return scans when invoked in list context. Whether this is actually a good thing is yet to be decided ;-) - date_from: 1147132341 date_to: 1147132341 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060508235055.DD29CCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9138 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147134374 date_to: 1147134374 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060509002605.1C487CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9139 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147208800 date_to: 1147208800 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060509210630.901E9CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9153 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147218711 date_to: 1147224846 hidden: ~ message_id: 44612AF5.1080009@perl.org posters: - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: damian@conway.org name: Damian Conway - email: allison@wgz.org name: Allison Randal - email: uri@stemsystems.com name: Uri Guttman - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol - email: james@mastros.biz name: James Mastros - email: mr.green@telus.net name: Mr Green subject: A rule by any other name... summary: |- Allison Randal wrote about her concern that 'regex' will always mean 'regular expression' to people who encounter it, and proposed a different name for a 'thingy outside a grammar,' as she described it. She went on to list other semantic issues that she has with Perl 6. The thread was highly popular and many people contributed. - date_from: 1147230234 date_to: 1147230234 hidden: 1 message_id: 1d9a3f400605092003t74fcdae6j25e7f644b9b6a76c@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay subject: '[PATCH] S02 - add grammar / rule info to sigil list' summary: '' - date_from: 1147235182 date_to: 1147235182 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060510042613.BD897CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9156 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147238927 date_to: 1147238927 hidden: ~ message_id: 1d9a3f400605092228m1e089ed5ne75981f10a7c10be@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay subject: the 'postfix:::' operator summary: |- Jerry Gay noted that if the :: postfix operator exists, it should be added to S03. - date_from: 1147241735 date_to: 1147369116 hidden: ~ message_id: 1d9a3f400605092315y2c1ab86fx48ffd9e8f5fdc8d7@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme subject: 'S02: generalized quotes and adverbs' summary: |- The adverb section in S02 led Jerry Gay to wonder if parsing of an adjacent single and double (for instance 'q' and 'qq' to form 'qqq') would be accomplished by matching the longest token first. Larry replied that he would like to see if double character adverbs can be made single characters. He also offered suggestions on how clarity could be added in this situation. - date_from: 1147341152 date_to: 1147383702 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060511095219.C065CCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org - email: egrasso@releaseteam.com name: Elyse M. Grasso - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: Smylers@stripey.com name: Smylers - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark subject: r9176 and the difference between True and true summary: |- Audrey's commit changed 'true' to 'True', which led to Elyse M. Grasso wondering if 'false' had become 'False'. Larry said this was the case, and that the reason for changing them had been to avoid confusion with the built-in `true()` function. Nicholas Clark and Smylers were slightly skeptical. - date_from: 1147366556 date_to: 1147391942 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060511165537.6D3CECBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: Smylers@stripey.com name: Smylers - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic subject: r9197 and a new name for sigspace? summary: |- A commit led to a discussion on a possible new name for `sigspace`. Allison Randal, Nicholas Clark, Ruud H.G. van Tol, Larry Wall, Smylers, and Chromatic participated. Suggestions ranged from 'SIGSPACE' to 'gappy' to 'negative space'. - date_from: 1147379619 date_to: 1147380898 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060511203330.D1CF5CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9202 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147387158 date_to: 1147387158 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060511223909.5AC5BCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9204 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147415222 date_to: 1147415222 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060512062635.8512BCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9208 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147423257 date_to: 1147425069 hidden: ~ message_id: 44644A0F.1060702@web.de posters: - email: deirdre_skye@web.de name: Herbert Breunung - email: mail@gedankenkonstrukt.de name: Thomas Wittek subject: best of perl6 for tutorial summary: |- Herbert Breunung asked for examples of instances where Perl 6 simplifies Perl 5 code. These will be used in his tutorial, which will eventually be translated and added to the Pugs trunk. Thomas Wittek suggested writing in English, but Herbert explained that it is much easier for him to make modifications in his native tongue. - date_from: 1147442542 date_to: 1147442542 hidden: 1 message_id: 44649173.4010609@web.de posters: - email: deirdre_skye@web.de name: Herbert Breunung subject: 'Re: best of perl6 for tutorial' summary: '' - date_from: 1147470928 date_to: 1147533130 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060512215501.46E16CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: malaire@gmail.com name: Markus Laire - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9216 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: |- Larry Wall made a commit to remove Prefix * and **. Also, triangulation in list context now requires an explicit `[\*]`. Markus Laire inquired if `@foo[1;**;5]` was still possible with the new syntax, and Larry replied with a note that he should revisit S09. - date_from: 1147485043 date_to: 1147485043 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060513014950.A1ACBCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: autrijus@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9222 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147500062 date_to: 1147500062 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060513060038.12205CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9226 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147535518 date_to: 1147535518 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060513155144.AFC60CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9236 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147536478 date_to: 1147536478 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060513160703.05836CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9237 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147536969 date_to: 1147536969 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060513161535.EEEE1CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9238 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147594374 date_to: 1147594374 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060514081232.8170.qmail@lists.develooper.com posters: - email: Conrad.Schneiker@Gmail.com name: Conrad Schneiker subject: 'Perl 6 User FAQ (perl.perl6.meta) -- Version: 2006-05-13 (beta 2)' summary: |- Conrad Schneiker cross-posted the Perl 6 User FAQ from comp.perl6.meta. He asked if anyone could get Google Groups to pick up comp.perl6.meta, and requested feedback on the FAQ. - date_from: 1147623371 date_to: 1147623371 hidden: ~ message_id: 44675985.1010405@toetsch.at posters: - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: Parrot 0.4.4 "Feather" Released! summary: |- Leopold Toetsch announced the release of the newest monthly version of Parrot. - date_from: 1147628431 date_to: 1147628431 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060514173959.CC23ECBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9253 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147699873 date_to: 1147852919 hidden: ~ message_id: 70384420605150630x4b4cb344h81229c3b1575ab2a@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: rob.kinyon@gmail.com name: Rob Kinyon - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang - email: sam@vilain.net name: Sam Vilain subject: ACID transactions for in-memory data structures summary: |- Rob Kinyon, who was working on DBM::Deep, asked if it would be easy to add ACID transactions in Perl 6. Audrey Tang pointed him toward 'is atomic' in the S17 draft. Sam Vilain noted the topic had come up in another list and should be brought up again. - date_from: 1147746681 date_to: 1147746681 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060516023106.744F3CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9258 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147747816 date_to: 1147747816 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060516024942.5CEE8CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9259 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147757453 date_to: 1147757453 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060516053011.A76EBCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9260 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147820302 date_to: 1147820302 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060516225713.56E26CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9261 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147820424 date_to: 1147822473 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060516225948.GA11954@ppp-87.la.vclk.net posters: - email: Tim.Bunce@pobox.com name: Tim Bunce subject: DBI2 reborn with DBI1 facade summary: |- Jonathan Scott Duff had a question on the state of DBI in Perl 6 and on the API redesign DBI2. Tim Bunce answered that DBI2 had been put on hold, but Szilakszi Bálinthad a good proposal on DBI for Pugs. He added that dbi2-dev was the best mailing list for further discussion, but that perl6-language was appropriate for Perl 6 issues. thread_uri: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.perl.perl6.language/7312/ - date_from: 1147973116 date_to: 1147973116 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060518172459.74687CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: pmichaud@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9298 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1147990702 date_to: 1148667161 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060518221736.GY18072@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: sam@vilain.net name: Sam Vilain - email: stevan.little@gmail.com name: Stevan Little - email: ydbxmhc@yahoo.com name: Paul Hodges subject: packages vs. classes summary: |- Chip Salzenberg asked what the relationship was between namespaces and classes. Larry Wall replied that namespaces are for declaration names, while classes can really only name things operationally. Further discussion ensued. - date_from: 1147994673 date_to: 1147994673 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060518232347.CAEA9CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9299 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148062453 date_to: 1148062453 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060519181310.11809CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9302 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148064390 date_to: 1148064390 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060519184535.2D4B6CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9303 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148070169 date_to: 1148361944 hidden: ~ message_id: 'p06230901c093d5e09ace@[192.168.1.101]' posters: - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: sam@vilain.net name: Sam Vilain subject: hyp-op examples of a Bag type in S03 summary: |- Darren Duncan had a question about Bag and Set in S03. Sam Vilain responded. Darren noted that r9304 had addressed his concerns. - date_from: 1148081404 date_to: 1148081404 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060519232934.7329BCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9304 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148245895 date_to: 1148245895 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060521211110.104DACBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: chromatic@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9305 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148414142 date_to: 1148414142 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060523195450.67E82CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9306 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148581295 date_to: 1148603726 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060525182117.841C8CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org - email: sam@vilain.net name: Sam Vilain subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9307 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148582729 date_to: 1148754914 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060525184519.12266.qmail@web60821.mail.yahoo.com posters: - email: publiustemp-perl6language@yahoo.com name: Ovid - email: list@bereft.net name: Brad Bowman - email: mAsterdam@vrijdag.org name: mAsterdam - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol - email: dataweaver@gmail.com name: Jonathan Lang - email: sagelt@gmail.com name: Sage La Torra subject: 'Fw: Logic Programming for Perl6 (Was Re: 3 Good Reasons... (typo alert!))' summary: |- Ovid forwarded a thread which had previously been posted on perl6-users (). In it, David Romano and Ovid were discussing the obstacles that would limit Perl 6's support of logic programming. Several other people joined in with suggestions. - date_from: 1148662650 date_to: 1148664347 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060526165713.F197FCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: larry@cvs.perl.org - email: uri@stemsystems.com name: Uri Guttman subject: '[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9310 - doc/trunk/design/syn' summary: '' - date_from: 1148870212 date_to: 1148870212 hidden: ~ message_id: 'p06230906c0a00cd96acd@[192.168.1.101]' posters: - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan subject: outdated/incorrect S12 examples summary: |- Darren Duncan asked whether or not `self` is a valid bareword in Perl 6. Stuart Cook replied that he thought it was valid but Darren wasn't sure. - date_from: 1148874366 date_to: 1148875029 hidden: 1 message_id: 49b351060605282045q62d334ccp907ab5e8f6b991d4@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: scook0@gmail.com name: Stuart Cook - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan subject: 'Re: outdated/incorrect S12 examples' summary: '' - date_from: 1149025286 date_to: 1149109937 hidden: ~ message_id: 001b01c68431$c193a320$2305640a@corp.data393.com posters: - email: john.drago@precissystems.com name: John Drago - email: bsmith@vtrl.co.uk name: Benjamin Smith - email: james@mastros.biz name: James Mastros - email: ydbxmhc@yahoo.com name: Paul Hodges - email: ashley.winters@gmail.com name: Ashley Winters - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: juerd@convolution.nl name: Juerd - email: sagelt@gmail.com name: Sage La Torra subject: Synchronized / Thread syntax in Perl 6 summary: |- John Drago mused on the syntax of classes that can only be accessed by one thread at a time. Many participants donated their opinion and debated how to perform parallel job execution. - date_from: 1149108362 date_to: 1149146842 hidden: ~ message_id: ef30550b0605311345m129643f0id5c58260c86b7466@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: dataweaver@gmail.com name: Jonathan Lang - email: sam@vilain.net name: Sam Vilain - email: darren@DarrenDuncan.net name: Darren Duncan - email: rvtol@isolution.nl name: Ruud H.G. van Tol - email: masoch@istic.org name: Daniel Hulme - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff - email: jonathan@jwcs.net name: Jonathan Worthington subject: 'Concurrency: hypothetical variables and atomic blocks' summary: |- Jonathan Lang asked if an STM style async block is semantically different from a block in which all variables are hypothetical let-variables. The thread continued discussing the definition of Software Transactional Memory, how it applies to Perl, and the relationship between ACID and virtualized time. title: Language - name: perl6-internals extra: description: |- The parrot-porters list was called perl6-internals during the period covered by this summary. threads: - date_from: 1145211793 date_to: 1146514168 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060416214105.GB21028@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: larry@wall.org name: Larry Wall - email: bugs-parrot-track@netlabs.develooper.com name: Patrick R. Michaud via RT - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang subject: 'Re: [perl #38931] [RFE] Double-quoted strings automatically determine string type' summary: Patrick R. Michaud closed because he changed his mind about it. - date_from: 1146166606 date_to: 1146777402 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39013-132788.4.13630352916783@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39013' subject: '[perl #39013] [PATCH] Two more uninitialized registers' summary: |- Andy Dougherty created a ticket, , which contains a patch for some tests. Will Coleda applied. - date_from: 1146427079 date_to: 1146491709 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39038-132922.15.6998952414695@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Jerry Gay - email: jerry.gay@gmail.com name: Jerry Gay rt_ticket: 'perl #39038' subject: '[perl #39038] [BUG] linker failure with dynpmc on win32' summary: Jerry Gay reported in that dynamic pmcs are causing linkage. - date_from: 1146489372 date_to: 1146489372 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060501131500.342.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: '' - date_from: 1146491245 date_to: 1146491245 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39043-132937.2.14940520159253@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Bernhard Schmalhofer rt_ticket: 'perl #39043' subject: "[perl #39043] [TODO] Dynamic PMCs should not include 'parrot/parrot.h'" summary: |- Bernhard Schmalhofer added , a todo item for cleaning up header includes. - date_from: 1146514358 date_to: 1147358691 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39044-132994.16.8534802129606@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39044' subject: '[perl #39044] Problem with :slurpy, :slurpy :named, :flat :named' summary: |- Patrick R. Michaud created ticket after several people asked him to file a report for the failing test in `t/op/calling.t`. The problem was that Parrot did not correctly handle `:slurpy` and `:slurpy :named` both appearing in parameter lists. Leopold Toetsch fixed the bug. - date_from: 1146515680 date_to: 1147358849 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39045-132997.13.860100212898@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39045' subject: "[perl #39045] [BUG] \"isa\" opcode doesn't (yet) work with keyed classnames" summary: |- Patrick R. Michaud created ticket in order to note that the "isa" opcode doesn't work with keyed classnames. Leopold Toetsch reported it fixed in r12615. - date_from: 1146521341 date_to: 1146521341 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060501220846.GA12021@stef.stef posters: - email: stef@stefp.dyndns.org subject: error messages now with file name and line number summary: Stef committed a patch to add file names line numbers to error messages. - date_from: 1146596019 date_to: 1151612379 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39050-133027.6.13471645825754@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39050' subject: '[perl #39050] Build failure in compilers/pge/pgc.pir' summary: |- In , Andy Dougherty reported that the build process for the current snapshot dies on `compilers/pge/pgc.pir`. As of May 30, the problem was still there. - date_from: 1146596155 date_to: 1146596155 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39051-133028.9.34490059931974@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39051' subject: '[perl #39051] Test failure in t/pmc/objects_62.pasm (attributes)' summary: |- Andy Dougherty reported a failing test in `t/pmc/objects_62.pasm` in . - date_from: 1146596279 date_to: 1146596279 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39052-133029.8.13002628119449@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39052' subject: '[perl #39052] namespace-related failure in t/pmc/objects_74.pir' summary: |- Andy Dougherty submitted ticket to report a failing test in `t/pmc/objects_74.pir`. - date_from: 1146596463 date_to: 1146596463 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39053-133031.19.0481469529658@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39053' subject: '[perl #39053] [PATCH] Update PLATFORMS for Solaris (May 2006)' summary: '' - date_from: 1146609038 date_to: 1148552453 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39056-133038.5.74390580973244@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39056' subject: "[perl #39056] [BUG] vtable override doesn't work in sub-subclasses" summary: |- Patrick R. Michaud wrote ticket to report that vtable overrides don't work in a subclass of a subclass. Leopold Toetsch noted it was fixed in r12797. - date_from: 1146674849 date_to: 1146674849 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39063-133074.12.9815645716553@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39063' subject: '[perl #39063] [TODO] ResizableBooleanArray uses 64 bytes per bit of information' summary: |- Andy Dougherty started ticket to request that ResizableBooleanArray use fewer bytes per element. - date_from: 1146685765 date_to: 1146685765 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39066-133086.18.9353461450686@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Bernhard Schmalhofer rt_ticket: 'perl #39066' subject: '[perl #39066] [TODO] Get rid of compilers/imcc/jit.c' summary: |- Bernhard Schmalhofer noted in that `compilers/imcc/jit.c` is outdated according to Leopold Toetsch's comment in r11423. - date_from: 1146686362 date_to: 1146686362 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060503195909.GA28336@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud subject: Updates to perl6/pge compiler summary: |- Patrick R. Michaud gave a status update on the Parrot-based compiler for Perl 6. r12488 causes the compilation sequence to more closely follow the expected plan of parsing and executing most expressions and simple statements. - date_from: 1146723237 date_to: 1147257858 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39072-133105.9.78349377421274@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic rt_ticket: 'perl #39072' subject: '[perl #39072] [BUG] Unable to load_bytecode :multi after PGE.pbc' summary: |- Patrick R. Michaud reported in that he was unable to get Pheme to run on his system. Chromatic seconded the bug. It was fixed in r12593. - date_from: 1146810622 date_to: 1147258174 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39081-133174.15.6597735438293@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39081' subject: '[perl #39081] [BUG] (possible bug) multiple calls to __init for subclassed objects' summary: |- In ticket , Patrick R. Michaud wrote that subclasses which don't define an `__init` method will have multiple calls to the base `__init` method. This was fixed in r12594. - date_from: 1146810708 date_to: 1146810708 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060505093310.6bf2c691@nick.han.kherson.ua posters: - email: nikolay.kostirya@webceo.ks.ua name: Nick Kostirya subject: Parrot on DragonFlyBSD summary: |- Nick Kostirya included a patch for r12486 to fix compilation on DragonFlyBSD. - date_from: 1146813199 date_to: 1146813199 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-37089-133182.11.8915541077006@perl.org posters: - email: bugs-parrot-track@netlabs.develooper.com name: Patrick R. Michaud via RT rt_ticket: 'perl #37089' subject: '[perl #37089] [TODO] PGE - Test Glob' summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket in September to request tests for PGE's glob. Patrick R. Michaud closed the ticket as it was addressed by `t/compilers/pge_globs.t`. - date_from: 1146839596 date_to: 1146839596 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39085-133199.2.40239217433583@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Lester rt_ticket: 'perl #39085' subject: '[perl #39085] [TODO] pmc - make pmc2c.pl extract function declarations' summary: |- In ticket Andy Lester reported that each .pmc file has redundant function headings. - date_from: 1146867269 date_to: 1146867269 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060505214740.B91BFCBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: petdance@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12523 - trunk/docs/pdds/clip' summary: '' - date_from: 1146867521 date_to: 1146867521 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39088-133211.6.76614384697437@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Lester rt_ticket: 'perl #39088' subject: '[perl #39088] [TODO] Add conditional GCC attributes to functions' summary: |- Andy Lester reported in that GCC has a number of attributes that can be applied to functions. He offered to work on this. - date_from: 1146884746 date_to: 1146884746 hidden: ~ message_id: AD819134-97A1-40A5-8F3B-D149BA7B66CB@petdance.com posters: - email: andy@petdance.com name: Andy Lester subject: tags summary: |- Andy Lester reported that he improved Makefile's handling of ctags, so that the tag refers to the .pmc file instead of the .c file. - date_from: 1146943634 date_to: 1146943634 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39092-133224.12.8541833794868@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Lester rt_ticket: 'perl #39092' subject: '[perl #39092] [TODO] Autogenerate functions in *.h files from source' summary: |- In ticket , Andy Lester noted that there is a lot of duplication between *.c and *.h files. He believes the .h files should be autogenerated as much as possible. - date_from: 1147094160 date_to: 1147094160 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060508131500.5189.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: '' - date_from: 1147187321 date_to: 1147196980 hidden: ~ message_id: 983A9883-DD8D-4AC0-AEAC-FB130A5A7C08@coleda.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: jax@well.com name: Jack Woehr subject: 'APL - call for help' summary: |- Will Coleda asked if anyone had experience with APL and could create a test suite to ensure that he is writing APL, rather than something APL-ish. Jack Woehr forwarded on the request to people likely to know APL but not Perl 6. - date_from: 1147282250 date_to: 1147284072 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39117-133343.17.1873760413794@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Leopold Toetsch - email: steve@fisharerojo.org name: Steve Peters rt_ticket: 'perl #39117' subject: '[perl #39117] [TODO] Using v?snprintf/strlcpy/strlcat when useful' summary: |- Leopold Toetsch introduced ticket . Steve Peters was looking in to it. - date_from: 1147337352 date_to: 1147337352 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060511084819.7FA75CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: leo@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12611 - trunk/docs/pdds' summary: '' - date_from: 1147386729 date_to: 1147386729 hidden: 1 message_id: C503F84B-D47A-4D87-BC7B-9ECE97AD2120@coleda.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda subject: 'pirtidy - call for help' summary: '' - date_from: 1147387118 date_to: 1147387118 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39132-133419.15.3767657308176@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Jerry Gay rt_ticket: 'perl #39132' subject: '[perl #39132] [TODO] pirtidy - call for help' summary: |- Jerry Gay created a todo ticket on this subject, which originated in , wherein Will Coleda introduced the request. The resulting ticket was . - date_from: 1147462950 date_to: 1147462950 hidden: 1 message_id: 51d13ba4047acb26ccce277846ef8c86@toetsch.at posters: - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: Feature freeze summary: '' - date_from: 1147469997 date_to: 1147469997 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060512213904.5A6B1CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: pmichaud@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12637 - trunk/docs/pdds' summary: '' - date_from: 1147491379 date_to: 1147704752 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060515145158.GC11494@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: 'Re: [perl #39135] Problem with concat on Match objects' summary: |- In , Patrick R. Michaud reported some encounters with using concat with Match objects from PGE. Leopold Toetsch suggested a workaround, but later fixed it. - date_from: 1147591377 date_to: 1147641589 hidden: ~ message_id: 200605140022.25019.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: 'Variadic Multi-Dispatch (or, M-D on certain invocants only)' summary: |- Chromatic thought he had a problem with multi-dispatch on only the first argument to a function, but when Leopold Toetsch looked at it he couldn't see the error. Chromatic noted that he'd used 'array' as the type and expected it to pick up ResizeablePMCArray and ResizeableStringArray too. Once he fixed that the example worked. - date_from: 1147619625 date_to: 1147619625 hidden: 1 message_id: 44674ADF.2020102@toetsch.at posters: - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: No more checkins please summary: '' - date_from: 1147623619 date_to: 1147623619 hidden: 1 message_id: 44675A7D.3040002@toetsch.at posters: - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: Release done summary: ~ - date_from: 1147637871 date_to: 1147657305 hidden: ~ message_id: F0FFC1CA-EFC4-4042-8DA4-9A5553764B0B@coleda.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud subject: "HLL's, PMCs..." summary: |- Will Coleda inquired as to whether it is possible to load a language's PMCs and create the .PMCtype constants without using the .HLL pragma. Patrick R. Michaud suggested `:immediate`. - date_from: 1147647020 date_to: 1147647020 hidden: ~ message_id: E013E7B6-0ABC-4907-A27E-2A01BDA4CC1B@coleda.com posters: - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda subject: inconsistent load* opcodes summary: |- Will Coleda gave an example of inconsistent load opcodes and proposed a couple of alternatives. - date_from: 1147698945 date_to: 1147698945 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060515131500.6082.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: ~ - date_from: 1147698979 date_to: 1147698979 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39140-133447.13.8946588086241@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #39140' subject: '[perl #39140] Parrot 0.4.5' summary: ~ - date_from: 1147699803 date_to: 1147699803 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-37361-133456.13.069147433182@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda via RT rt_ticket: 'perl #37361' subject: '[perl #37361] [BUG] Parrot 0.3.0 Tru64 core dump t/examples/japh.t #10' summary: ~ - date_from: 1147722647 date_to: 1147907772 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39142-133470.17.4643132027959@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #39142' subject: "[perl #39142] [TODO] pmc2c.pl doesn't allow mixed case groups/pmc filenames." summary: |- Will Coleda created ticket to note that using a PMC in a file called `APLVector.pmc` with a group of `APL_group` caused build failures on case-sensitive platforms. Nicholas Clark asked at what level case agnosticism should be implemented, and Will expanded on the original thread. - date_from: 1147800765 date_to: 1148516876 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060516173226.GD7111@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: jonathan@jwcs.net name: Jonathan Worthington - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: '[ARCH] Classes moving into namespaces; parrot reserved namespace' summary: |- Chip Salzenberg outlined the changes he is making to address flaws in Parrot class design. Will Coleda expressed concern that the modifications would expose internal Parrot to HLL programmers. Chip felt that it would be impossible to create a completely invisible Parrot, and proposed another means of dealing with the namespace issue. Jonathan Worthington had a couple of questions, which Chip answered. Leopold Toetsch also had some input. - date_from: 1147805527 date_to: 1147805527 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060516185126.GG7111@tytlal.topaz.cx posters: - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: '[PMC] init_pmc_props() DEPRECATED; init_pmc() GENERALIZED; beware set_pointer()' summary: |- Chip Salzenberg noted that the documentation of the `init_pmc()` vtable method was inconsistent. He announced a change in the documentation and also noted a few other issues he planned to look in to. - date_from: 1147811101 date_to: 1147828510 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060516202420.GB15791@host.pmichaud.com posters: - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang subject: 'Re: lvalues and "is rw" parameter passing' summary: |- Patrick R. Michaud responded to an older thread on the syntax of some Perl 6 code in PIR. Chip Salzenberg commented that it might be necessary to wait for further Perl 6 details before writing sample code. He speculated on the plan for scalar containers, which Audrey Tang confirmed was the intended implementation. - date_from: 1147811267 date_to: 1147811267 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060516202731.441C7CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: chip@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12706 - in trunk: . docs docs/pdds/clip src/ops src/pmc t/pmc' summary: '' - date_from: 1147926144 date_to: 1147926144 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39161-133573.7.80087165513848@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Patrick R . Michaud rt_ticket: 'perl #39161' subject: '[perl #39161] [BUG] :multi fails when .HLL is in effect' summary: |- Patrick R . Michaud created ticket because subroutines with `:multi` do not work properly inside files with .HLL declarations. - date_from: 1147950091 date_to: 1148049377 hidden: ~ message_id: 446C53F9.70708@gmail.com posters: - email: parrotcode@gmail.com name: Klaas-Jan Stol - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: pmichaud@pobox.com name: Patrick R. Michaud subject: :immediate behavior summary: |- Klaas-Jan Stol wrote to request some clarification on the `:immediate` pragma in practice. Leopold Toetsch agreed that it currently works as Klaas-Jan suspected. Patrick R. Michaud added his thoughts on side effects. - date_from: 1147977965 date_to: 1148355740 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39164-133601.8.34737411004127@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Greg Bacon - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse rt_ticket: 'perl #39164' subject: '[perl #39164] [PATCH] Cygwin: build with spaces in build_dir' summary: |- Greg Bacon offered a patch in to allow Parrot to build on Cygwin when the build_dir contains spaces. Matt Diephouse noted that it also worked on OS X, and applied the patch in r12755. - date_from: 1148019430 date_to: 1148019430 hidden: ~ message_id: 200605182315.51338.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic subject: 'Pheme, Custom Classes, and Multi-Dispatch' summary: |- Chromatic included a patch for a custom Cons class to Pheme for Lisp/Scheme, but expressed his uncertainty that he had addressed the issue properly. - date_from: 1148176022 date_to: 1148205760 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39173-133679.18.4520296154306@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39173' subject: '[perl #39173] Multi-Dispatch Incompatible with :flat Params' summary: |- Chromatic submitted ticket , noting that the multi-dispatch signature checking code in `src/mmd.c` does not know anything about `:flat` calls. Leopold Toetsch agreed that was the case, and quoted a snippet from S06. There was some continued discussion on what Chromatic wanted, and what the synopses stated on the subject. Chip Salzenberg made a suggestion, which was implemented in r12753. - date_from: 1148231666 date_to: 1148336222 hidden: 1 message_id: 198c87380605211329m66610a8diae6b19d9ad0426e6@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch - email: chip@pobox.com name: Chip Salzenberg subject: 'Re: [perl #39173] Multi-Dispatch Incompatible with :flat Params' summary: '' - date_from: 1148248243 date_to: 1148759493 hidden: ~ message_id: 198c87380605211450p4d318742x53cb7c8ec4ee0ba8@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: mddiep@gmail.com name: Matt Diephouse - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: rspier@pobox.com name: Robert Spier - email: nick@ccl4.org name: Nicholas Clark subject: languages/ Cleanup summary: |- Matt Diephouse proposed removing some languages from the Parrot source because the implementations were quite out of date or unused. There was no disagreement, and this was done in r12807. There was, however, a discussion on the difficulty of finding deleted files in an SVN repository. - date_from: 1148257639 date_to: 1148257639 hidden: 1 message_id: 200605211726.45149.chromatic@wgz.org posters: - email: chromatic@wgz.org name: Chromatic subject: 'Re: [perl #39173] Multi-Dispatch Incompatible with :flat Params' summary: '' - date_from: 1148303731 date_to: 1148303731 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060522131500.17917.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: '' - date_from: 1148404197 date_to: 1148479684 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39188-133803.18.8163355539371@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39188' subject: '[perl #39188] imcc dumps core when called with -o file.pasm.' summary: '' - date_from: 1148406060 date_to: 1148406538 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39190-133806.16.6224580795743@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39190' subject: '[perl #39190] [PATCH] trivial ./parrot -h help text patch ' summary: ~ - date_from: 1148407611 date_to: 1148516792 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060523180618.2A1A0CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: chip@cvs.perl.org - email: jonathan@jwcs.net name: Jonathan Worthington subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12774 - trunk/docs/pdds/clip' summary: |- Jonathan Worthington wrote to comment on the implementation of finally handlers in Chip Salzenberg's in r12774. - date_from: 1148473603 date_to: 1148473603 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39196-133832.15.1367291571245@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #39196' subject: '[perl #39196] [TODO] tests - need to test addmethod' summary: |- Will Coleda noted in ticket that the addmethod opcode requires tests. - date_from: 1148481289 date_to: 1148481289 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39197-133840.10.7676186760438@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty rt_ticket: 'perl #39197' subject: '[perl #39197] lib/Parrot/Test.pm ignores core dumps failures!' summary: '' - date_from: 1148481433 date_to: 1148481433 hidden: 1 message_id: Pine.SOC.4.64.0605241036010.23086@maxwell.phys.lafayette.edu posters: - email: doughera@lafayette.edu name: Andy Dougherty subject: 'Re: [perl #39188] imcc dumps core when called with -o file.pasm.' summary: '' - date_from: 1148481881 date_to: 1148481881 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060524144345.78E9ACBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: leo@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12787 - trunk/docs/pdds/clip' summary: '' - date_from: 1148578867 date_to: 1148586053 hidden: ~ message_id: 941eab840605251040yaffd996i3bd7c7ad6be92912@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: joshua.gatcomb@gmail.com name: Joshua Gatcomb - email: jurosz@kn.vutbr.cz name: Jurosz Michal subject: Instructions to build parrot using mingw summary: |- Joshua Gatcomb was trying to build Parrot after 1.5 years without updating. He was not sure how to best install it on his Windows system with limited rights, and Jurosz Michal offered advice. - date_from: 1148587574 date_to: 1148587574 hidden: ~ message_id: 7b8f2ca65f13cee597c016baa0037706@toetsch.at posters: - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: PBC meta info summary: |- Leopold Toetsch posted with a proposal on how to handle PBC meta information based upon his thoughts after reading PDD23. - date_from: 1148653816 date_to: 1148658307 hidden: ~ message_id: 941eab840605260730q595b0636h808234aa65d2ee9@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: joshua.gatcomb@gmail.com name: Joshua Gatcomb - email: doughera@lafayette.edu name: Andy Dougherty subject: 'RFC: Patch for mingw-msys' summary: |- Joshua Gatcomb noted that having mysys in his path led to unexpected problems with mingw even when he wasn't intentionally trying to use mysys. Andy Dougherty didn't understand the patch; Joshua explained it just offered a warning. - date_from: 1148666359 date_to: 1149004298 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39217-133930.15.5119329704378@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Allison Randal - email: will@coleda.com name: Will Coleda - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39217' subject: '[perl #39217] [TODO] legal - eliminate "All Rights Reserved." ' summary: |- Allison Randal created a ticket, , to remove the phrase "All Rights Reserved" from copyright notices. Will Coleda listed a couple of cases and asked how they would be handled. This led to a discussion of the history of the phrase, the history of The Perl Foundation's name, and the legal status of copyright symbols. r12825 addressed Allison's request. - date_from: 1148674402 date_to: 1149015645 hidden: ~ message_id: 4f4dc61f0605261311j6d56be32r9c17860106b31883@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: woggling@gmail.com name: Charles Reiss - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal subject: Software transactional memory / atomic_ops copyright summary: |- Charles Reiss is working on a project to implement STM in Parrot. He had a copyright question, which Allison Randal answered. - date_from: 1148677121 date_to: 1148694420 hidden: 1 message_id: 44776BC4.4070008@perl.org posters: - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal - email: merlyn@stonehenge.com - email: paul@pjcj.net name: Paul Johnson subject: 'Re: [perl #39217] [TODO] legal - eliminate "All Rights Reserved."' summary: ~ - date_from: 1148696446 date_to: 1148696446 hidden: 1 message_id: 4477B768.1010508@perl.org posters: - email: allison@perl.org name: Allison Randal subject: 'Re: [perl #39217] [TODO] legal - eliminate "All Rights Reserved."' summary: ~ - date_from: 1148908581 date_to: 1148908581 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060529131500.15786.qmail@x1.develooper.com posters: - email: perlbug-summary@perl.org name: Parrot Bug Summary subject: Parrot Bug Summary summary: '' - date_from: 1148936072 date_to: 1148978982 hidden: ~ message_id: 7b0e52b40605291354k211929aav1e44030e76a80f7a@mail.gmail.com posters: - email: parrotcode@gmail.com name: Klaas-Jan Stol - email: liz@dijkmat.nl name: Elizabeth Mattijsen - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: Coroutine reset functionality? summary: |- Klaas-Jan Stol proposed functionality to reset a coroutine. Elizabeth Mattijsen and Leopold Toetsch felt it would be useful. Later, in thread , Klaas-Jan Stol wrote that if a coroutine is called more times than it `.yield()`s, there is a segmentation fault. Leopold Toetsch replied that this was indeed closely linked to `.reset()`. - date_from: 1148999735 date_to: 1148999735 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060530143432.57A7ACBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: coke@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12839 - in trunk/docs: . imcc pdds pdds/clip pmc req' summary: '' - date_from: 1149002622 date_to: 1149002622 hidden: 1 message_id: 20060530152323.95487CBA47@x12.develooper.com posters: - email: coke@cvs.perl.org subject: '[svn:parrot-pdd] r12841 - in trunk: . compilers/imcc debian docs/pdds/clip lib/Parrot t/examples tools/build tools/dev tools/docs' summary: '' - date_from: 1149003177 date_to: 1149505723 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39244-134099.14.3704647423035@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39244' subject: '[perl #39244] [PATCH] Initialize I and N registers.' summary: '' - date_from: 1149004046 date_to: 1149506505 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39245-134101.15.2185153372659@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Andy Dougherty - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39245' subject: '[perl #39245] [PATCH] Update Platforms -- Late May 2006' summary: '' - date_from: 1149014576 date_to: 1149014576 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39248-134120.16.4770012039226@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #39248' subject: '[perl #39248] Parrot release 0.4.6' summary: ~ - date_from: 1149019087 date_to: 1149022765 hidden: 1 message_id: 447CA3BF.7000106@gmail.com posters: - email: parrotcode@gmail.com name: Klaas-Jan Stol - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: coroutine segfaults summary: ~ - date_from: 1149019594 date_to: 1149019594 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39249-134142.7.66945534394161@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda rt_ticket: 'perl #39249' subject: "[perl #39249] Can't use literal unicode string as a hash key." summary: |- In , Will Coleda supplied some code involving unicode hash keys which failed to compile. - date_from: 1149021870 date_to: 1149191329 hidden: ~ message_id: Pine.SOC.4.64.0605301244370.11132@maxwell.phys.lafayette.edu posters: - email: doughera@lafayette.edu name: Andy Dougherty - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch subject: Stepping Away. summary: |- Andy Dougherty informed the parrot porters that he will be stepping away from the Parrot project. He also submitted all his pending patches to RT. Leopold Toetsch thanked him for his contributions so far. Thank you, Andy, and good bye! Andy's patches and other tickets: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. - date_from: 1149055522 date_to: 1149055522 hidden: 1 message_id: rt-3.0.11-39253-134159.6.5435600620863@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Abdullah Casey rt_ticket: 'perl #39253' subject: '[perl #39253] Re: CT unit to drill on Mars, Revenue Up 200% - Ref. v0865500' summary: |- Abdullah Casey informed the list that Coil Tubing Technology is so amazing that the Mars Drilling Project is evaluating a coiled tubing unit to drill for water on Mars. The spam filter was slapped. - date_from: 1149097262 date_to: 1149252987 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39254-134167.19.228623496393@perl.org posters: - email: parrotbug-followup@parrotcode.org name: Will Coleda - email: lt@toetsch.at name: Leopold Toetsch rt_ticket: 'perl #39254' subject: "[perl #39254] Unicode sub names don't work with :multi" summary: |- Will Coleda reported that unicode subroutine names don't work with :multi, in . Leopold Toetsch committed a fix in r12867. title: Parrot Porters - name: perl6-compiler threads: - date_from: 1146344740 date_to: 1146433538 hidden: ~ message_id: 20060429210516.22921.qmail@lists.develooper.com posters: - email: dave@whipp.name name: Dave Whipp subject: "error building pugs: \"Could not find module `Data.ByteString'\"" summary: |- Dave Whipp reported a build error, but then said that updating his working directory resolved this issue. - date_from: 1146885143 date_to: 1146932604 hidden: ~ message_id: 1146885104.856113.134960@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com posters: - email: rp1@teromajusa.net name: Rlp - email: audreyt@audreyt.org name: Audrey Tang subject: problem building pugs summary: Rlp reported a build failure which Audrey Tang promptly fixed. - date_from: 1148143900 date_to: 1148143900 hidden: ~ message_id: rt-3.0.11-39171-133661.14.6906727208101@perl.org posters: - email: pugsbug-followup@perl.org name: Bjoern Hoehrmann rt_ticket: 'perl #39171' subject: '[perl #39171] Crash on Win32 for 6**(9999999)' summary: Bjoern Hoehrmann reported a Pugs crash in . - date_from: 1148356986 date_to: 1148393146 hidden: ~ message_id: 44728947.1070109@dlugosz.com posters: - email: john@dlugosz.com name: John M. Dlugosz - email: duff@pobox.com name: Jonathan Scott Duff subject: 'Newbe: How do I configure @*INC ?' summary: |- John M. Dlugosz asked how to configure the `@*INC` array in his Windows build of Pugs. Jonathan Scott Duff suggesting using the `PERL6LIB` environment variable. title: Compiler title: Perl 6 mailing list summary for the month of May 2006